Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

Those were cool cars.. haven’t seen one in decades..

I even liked the regular Monte Carlos (non-SS).. It was cool how plain looking they were and how comfortable they were to drive.. but they were V8 rwd and could do burn outs and donuts..

Yeah Vinny, my grandfather had a light green early 80s Caprice with green vinyl interior. It was awesome.. After that he bought a brand new red S10 pickup with no options (4cyl, crank windows, stick shift, 2wd, plastic floors, no A/C, etc). He had that S10 until he passed away 25 years later. He didn’t believe in spending money on cars... knew how to fix them though (he was an engineer). When I got my first IROC back in 1992/1993 he told me I would get pulled over every day in that thing and I should have bought a Honda. He was sort of right. My aunt had bought a brand new Camaro SC around 1986 and sold it after a couple years because she kept getting pulled over in it. She actually loved the car otherwise. Man, they were right about attracting cops back then.

Originally Posted by RKeats

Oh ya, just a lil' reference pic

Originally Posted by RKeats

Oh ya, just a lil' reference pic

Originally Posted by blackgloves

A 10 speed auto yes, you're asking how can someone get excited over that? How can you NOT? It has paddle shifters. I just used it to downshift when I came up to every light and stop sign on my way home this morning. Its essentially an automatic and manual transmission with the engineering to max performance and fuel economy

Originally Posted by dmccain

5th and 6th gen look so much the same I think its dumb they call them a different gen. Look the same to me. the 97 and 98 Camaros looked more different than these. Hell the 90 and 91 Firebirds looked more different than the so called 5th and 6th gen.

Originally Posted by 2slow5.0

This will be my next car, I care not what color it is. I think it’s perfect. I own 3rd and 4th gen variants. Each with their own pluses. I’ve owned my 3rd gen formula sense I was 18. My 4th gen I got a descent deal from a guy hurtin for money. That 5th gen z28 is on my list, although the other 2 will stay in the stable. If I can’t find a z-car a 6th gen zl1will fill it’s reserved spot. I never thought much of one till I got up close to a friends. I think those that don’t find them appealing are just biased. And as evidence in previous posts, the actual size is about a non-issue. Brand new may be in store if they do truly get the axe in 2023

I couldn’t even sit in his ZL1 for fear of getting it pregnant. It even had, in the words of the great Jeramy Clarkson a”proper manual gearbox, not those stupid flappy paddles”

Originally Posted by RKeats

Man I took a new ZL1 1LE for the day a few weeks back and I was SO impressed with that car. Yes it was impossible to see out of, and switching lanes took 13 double checks, but it drove incredibly well. Even in 6th gear it would just keep pulling. Shifts smoother than butter, the handling is super tight without the ride feeling like a skateboard, and the tech inside was fantastic. Cooled / heated seats, alcantara everywhere, big nav screen, the whole shibang. It's expensive, but it's a TON of car for that money, and is extremely capable right out of the gate. I've driven every typical exotic / high performance car you can think of, and that thing puts up a hell of a fight against them, especially considering it's a quarter of the price.

Also, both your cars look fantastic.

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I hear you... I know a guy who has a tuned 2017 SS and is worried he’s going to run in the 10s and be kicked off the track for not having a roll cage. He keeps the car immaculate and the performance for the price had me thinking it would be fun..

But even his wife who is in to cars wants a Thirdgen so he’s been out looking for a decent one at a decent price for her..

He’s even been looking at C7s because they are trying to get rid of them now.. It’s perfect for him, he just cares about mostly performance and going to the track.. It’s like they made the new Camaro for those people but there aren’t enough of them..

Originally Posted by dmccain

5th and 6th gen look so much the same I think its dumb they call them a different gen. Look the same to me. the 97 and 98 Camaros looked more different than these. Hell the 90 and 91 Firebirds looked more different than the so called 5th and 6th gen.

Originally Posted by RKeats

Man I took a new ZL1 1LE for the day a few weeks back and I was SO impressed with that car.

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

In fairness you had to reach for some of those 80s cars... And some came later and were probably seeing the attraction the IROCs and RSs were having and copied the style... In 1985 no one had the styling the IROC had... Most cars still had wire hubcaps and dated 70s trim on a boxy 80s design...

I saw one Porsche 944 growing up and I absolutely loved it... It was for sale and I wanted to buy it.. The IROC still won out though.. I would never have confused the two seeing them in person even as a 10 year old who didn’t even know an IROC was a Camaro when I first saw it..

I had friends that had Dodge Daytona’s and none that looked like that one... Dodge did take IROC from Chevy and probably thought it would do something for them... The IROC Z had the look and turned the heads... Still does... The Daytona IROC was a big nothing...

You posted a bunch of red sports cars, but many were a stretch..

Eclipse? No way
Reatta? Nope
Mustang? Hell no.. square lights is about it..
Fiero??? No one ever mistook a Fiero for an IROC
Supra? Absolutely not..

Even back in the 80s/90s you could confuse a Vette IROC and Firebird from the side mostly...

When the IROC came out in 1985 it looked waaaay closer to modern cars than everything else at the time.. It probably got similar attention to a Corvette ZR1 in a showroom now.. It probably drew people right over to it amongst the bland 80s hubcap cars.

I would have loved to see a 1985 showroom.. The IROC Z just wouldn’t fit in at all...

I also think maybe being a “cruiser” as you stated before is a good thing now... Most average people aren’t going to the track and I am afraid enough to floor my 305 with a cop around every corner.. Maybe the next Camaro (If there is one) should turn heads and be fun to cruise.. Maybe make it tuneable like the new Supra (Toyota actually made the car so that people can install aftermarket performance parts... They could have done it themselves but want to pay tribute to the tuner culture).,.

The Thirdgens stood out to people that weren’t even car people.. People in my family noticed them and a couple bought them.. That was a stretch for these people that normally don’t care what they drive... People felt like they were getting a vette for a good price.. Many people preferred the thirdgens to the Corvette so all the better..

A chevy showroom now every car has the same styling and big black wheels.. They need to set the Camaro apart again...

I like the new Camaro but it doesn’t look like anything common people want to drive... Third gens had more non car people buying them... Those 80s/90s RS Camaros were everywhere..

1985 Chevy Cars:

Originally Posted by ksr

Agree with you about the looks. When the 6th came out, it took me quite a while to, at a glance, be able to identify which was which. I can now, but it did take a while.

But it had to be called a different generation. Totally different experience inside the car.

Originally Posted by Abubaca

I'm sick of all the thirdgen bias here on Thirdgen.Org!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Abubaca

Ok, no sarcasm.

I like thirdgens. I bought one. Then I found a website dedicated to them. As would be expected, many others here feel the same way, which is why we stay. I could've bought a newer Camaro, but I don't like them as much, so I didn't. I don't deny the engineering, quality, performance. Great car. Just think the design is lacking drastically.

...but now here, on our own website, we're biased, and can't think objectively? We're supposed to like the design because why? Because you said so?

Originally Posted by Abubaca

I'm not saying you're wrong. But I will suggest that you're splitting hairs with regard to objectivity. If someone doesn't like the zeta/alpha Camaros because they're Pontiac fans, and they resent the zeta/apha for it, who cares? There are a gazillion reasons why people like and dislike every car out there. To dissect everyone's reasoning and apply to conversation is futile. A lot of times, especially with appearance, it's hard to really say WHY you like or dislike a certain design. Heck, I've seen plenty of cars out there that I think are ugly, but then I'll see it at a certain angle and be like, dang, that's pretty sharp! I know a lot of people don't like it because it's not really an F body. I think that's stupid reasoning....but still....who I am to tell them what to like? Kinda like the Corvette guys and flip up lights. At the end of the day, you look at a design, and you like it or you don't. You typically don't consciously decide. It just happens. -and heck a lot of times it changes! I hated the c7 when it came out, but it has really grown on me.

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I gave the 5th and 6th gen a chance...

I have thought about buying both and when I didn’t I just really sat and thought about why I don’t love the new Camaro.. Then I heard a lot of other people saying the same things. Then I thought about why people loved or disliked previous generations..

The Cars I posted were cars that would be at a Chevy dealer in 1985. The point was the IROC stood out more back then compared to what people were driving.

All the new chevys have aggressive styling, squinty headlights separated by a bow tie grille and giant rims... Everythiing is sportier now so it’s harder to stand out... you have to go against the grain a little.. I showed my wife a 2020 Camaro and she thought it was a Buick.. I thought the 2019 SS Camaro was an SUV the first time I saw just the front end closeup.. The first time I saw a 2017 SS it reminded me of a Toyota or Lexus.

Its cool looking and you can get it with tons of power, a black hood with a bulge, a giant spoiler, splitter and side deflectors, etc but it ends up having a tuner/boy racer/WRX look to it, not the same as pulling up in a vette. They somehow made the C7 a track car and a cruiser.

I was just saying they should restyle the Camaro to have more of its own look. Ditch the bow tie and give the car a face again. I’m not trying to be biased, but a lot of people are saying the same thing and it got me noticing it too. People like the Challenger... I don’t want one of those either, but I don’t hear people saying they’re ugly..

Originally Posted by blackgloves

If you cant see the lack of objectivity in this thread you never will. Cant help you

This thread... which is on a 3rd gen website, is about... 5th and 6th gen Camaros. Please don't forget that little important piece..

Originally Posted by vinny R

You are right but somewhere along the line (you included) started in with the performance, features (remember the rear-view) and options which we ALL agree that there is no comparison..The funny thing is that the performance part is not objective, It is fact. The design, is nothing but objective and that makes for a great thread.

I guess I will be the one to just come out and ask it, you are on a third gen site and I see you own one. From all the factiods you posted, all the other non third gen related cars (don't forget you posted a pic of a model box of a third gen...I got where you were going with that one) and your opinion on the new Camaro over your third gen why did you even buy a third gen? Do you really like and respect the car with all it short comings? IDK just a little confused here. Maybe you can shed some light on this for me.

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I will say the 6th gen base Camaro is cooler looking than a 1986 base Camaro..

In general base models aren’t total pieces of crap anymore...

We got a base Honda Accord brand new 2017 and it has power everything, keyless entry, backup camera, Bluetooth for phone and audio, voice controls, 17” brushed aluminum wheels.. The upper models have led running lights, leather, heated seats, GPS, spoiler, 19” wheels, sunroof, V6, etc...

Have to say a base model in 2017 doesn’t feel like a base model, and that’s a good thing..

I liked the early 4th gen Camaros. Not a huge fan of the stock wheels, but the SS was mean looking..

Originally Posted by blackgloves

As it was said earlier, you can find an ugly model in ever generation. You can find an awesome model in every gen too. The 5th gen Z/28, though rare is a good example. The ZL1 cars all look outstanding. Just about every base model Camaro ever made, does little to nothing for me.

I was not a fan of the Berlinetta but finally saw one that I liked just last week. Its posted in the Nomination thread for September and is red. I'll just never be a big fan of those 3 or so holes in the grille that they have over the other models

Originally Posted by vinny R

You hit it right on the head with this one, and man is this the truth. This is where I do think differently with regards to the new Camaro. I really liked the 5th gen when it was launched. modern twist with some old mixed in I thought GM hit a home run I feel the 6th gen is just a better model variation. Just like the Berlinetta to the 92 Z. I feel this is all GM did and IMHO I think they took it to far, too much detail and then to make it worse they took that front end and used it everywhere. Have you seen the new Blazer. Even the door design with the elongated triangle looks like the Camaro. The new RST pickup uses the Camaro front end. Iroc vert posted some great pics that you can see the similarities in the 2 generations. I love driving the new cars with all the goodies and really appreciate that, and one day I will own one as any car guy should. I probably will wait for the gen 7 Camaro or the C7 vette. Now that is a design!

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I was very close to buying this car.. 1994 Z28 6-speed 70k Miles black leather interior is mint. Bought from 1st owner (friend) only adult owned. Bone stock never raced all manuals, window sticker, original paint and clean Carfax...

Pretty cheap but I got a C4 with lower miles for a few more bucks...

Definitely would have thrown the SS/ZR1 wheels on that car..



I do like other gen Camaros besides the third.. 1st gen is great too but too expensive for a nice one that’s not a project.. A really nice Gen 1 restomod would be awesome!

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I was very close to buying this car.. 1994 Z28 6-speed 70k Miles black leather interior is mint. Bought from 1st owner (friend) only adult owned. Bone stock never raced all manuals, window sticker, original paint and clean Carfax...

Pretty cheap but I got a C4 with lower miles for a few more bucks...

Definitely would have thrown the SS/ZR1 wheels on that car..



I do like other gen Camaros besides the third.. 1st gen is great too but too expensive for a nice one that’s not a project.. A really nice Gen 1 restomod would be awesome!

Originally Posted by Abubaca

At the end of the day, at least we can agree that the best color is red. THAT is undeniable.

Originally Posted by ksr

I'll hold my tongue.

I will just say that I'm contemplating a full paint job on my GTA someday. It's currently torch red. Nice color, but if I do this, it won't be red anymore.

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I love the flame red in IROCs and GTAs

I’d be curious to see a more modern dark garnet metallic red though too.. The 6th gen Dark Red Metallic is nice..

Did they even make a blue GTA?

Originally Posted by Abubaca

At the end of the day, at least we can agree that the best color is red. THAT is undeniable.

Originally Posted by ksr

Good question. I don't recall ever seeing one. A dark metallic blue would look good. I did recently see a 4th gen Trans Am in a really nice deep metallic blue. I wonder if that was original paint, but it was a beauty.

If I do this, I'd go with either a metallic blue, or that lime rock green color that was on Corvettes for a short time. Both would go well with the tan interior. I just don't want to spend the money now, and my car really isn't in need of a paint job.

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

That would be a pricey job to get a whole color change.. all the jams and engine, etc.. You’d have to REALLY want it...

And on a nice car like that you’d have to spring for a show quality job..

Originally Posted by blackgloves

I have only seen the Blazer once or twice and I dont even recall any specifics. It was on their website. I'm not tracking what the RST is.

I dont think there will ever be a 7th Gen Camaro and if so it will be awhile. They mentioned something about stopping the Camaro production in 2025.

I think shortly after 2025 we might see things return like the Ford Lightning, Chevy Typhoon, and Cyclone, which would be really exciting if they do kill the Camaro (sadly)

I think Mustang and the Challenger all have their days numbered too. Their production numbers are falling and the market is moving from these types of vehicles

Originally Posted by 88IROCvertZ

I will say the 6th gen base Camaro is cooler looking than a 1986 base Camaro..

In general base models aren’t total pieces of crap anymore...

We got a base Honda Accord brand new 2017 and it has power everything, keyless entry, backup camera, Bluetooth for phone and audio, voice controls, 17” brushed aluminum wheels.. The upper models have led running lights, leather, heated seats, GPS, spoiler, 19” wheels, sunroof, V6, etc...

Have to say a base model in 2017 doesn’t feel like a base model, and that’s a good thing..

I liked the early 4th gen Camaros. Not a huge fan of the stock wheels, but the SS was mean looking..

Originally Posted by ksr

Yeah, if I do it, it won't be Earl Scheib. I'd go for the full, complete paint job. That's why it will be a while. I just bought a car this year and a repaint just for fun isn't in the budget.

Originally Posted by vinny R

The RST is Chevy's new model of pickup truck, Yes pickup. See what I mean by it is here already. Below are pics of both. This is probably a big reason for the thinking that the cars will go away. Just look at this style. These are what you were talking about, pretty soone there will be no need for a car when SUV's and trucks perform, handle and look the part





A buddy of mine bought one these last month. Notice the side air cuts in the front fender, similar to the Camaro's The "RS" logo is the same that is on the Camaro with the edition of a T for truck.