i have my interior completly stripped and i need to install the "ball buster" belt for my harnesses. whats the best way to do it. i planned to drill a hole in the floorpan and use the supplied bolt to bolt it down, then undercoat the understide. good idea?

 

You may want to use a thick piece of plate steel and weld it to the floor, if you have carpet out anyways. Then drill a hole and tap it to the tread pattern on your "supplied" bolt. Would be much stronger (safer) than just drilling hole in 22 gauge steel.

 

yep..

what seats did you get that accomodate the harness? you won't want that if you don't have the right seat with it...

 

i went with the generic APC seat. Sparcos were going to be purchased but i found these at a hell of a deal.
were you referring to the 5th point on the harness or the harness altogether?

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...prrfnbr=158808

 

i sure as hell hope you are not bolting the shoulder parts of the harness to the floor..

just the ball breaker right?

 

nope my interior is completly stripped so im puttin my subframe connectors in there, cage, and mounting everything then. hopefully im also gonna run the lines for my nitrous and fix a spot thats got a good chance of rusting through.

 

If you want it to be safe and race legal you'll need to do alittle more than just bolt it anywhere

"crotch strap must anchor behind driver's chest line"

side seat belts must be at a 45* angle and anchored apart, width of driver, no more no less

Shoulder belts must be anchored to seat crossbar, and between level to 4" below driver's sholders. Never above and no more thsn 4" below

On the crotch strap, I would back up the sheet metal floor with a 6" x 6" x 1/8" steel plate on top and on bottom of floor pan. Put your bolt through a hole you drilled through both plates and floor pan. Use a longer bolt, and put 2 taps on it under the car. Use 12 tap as a jam nut, to keep the 1st one from backing off.

I would do the same with all belt anchor points that goes to the floor

 

They updated some rules for 2005
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf
Page 55 is where the harness info was.

-The requirement for angle of shoulder harnesses has been changed from 40 degrees to 20 degrees. The seat can no longer be used as a belt guide to meet the rule; it must be met with the belt attachements. This may affect a lot of people.
-Window nets are good for 5 years, as per the update earlier this year
-Tow eyes are now REQUIRED
-Proper racing seat is RECOMMENDED
-Requirements for seat mounting reinforcements on non-steel floors
-Advisory that SA2000 helmets will be required for 2006
-Advisory to expect SFI 38.1 Head & Neck restraints to be required for 2006
-Updates to some of the definitions of "punting" and the like


15.5 Driver restraint system
(See diagram at end of section)
1. All vehicles must have a five (5), six (6), or seven (7) point seat belt system. Arm
restraints are required in open cars and cars with: Open T-tops, Open Targa
tops, missing moon/sun roofs, or glass moon/sun roofs.

2. A five (5) point system consists of a three (3) inch lap belt, two (2) or three (3)
inch shoulder belts, and a two (2) inch anti-submarine strap.

3. A six (6) point system is recommended for cars where the driver is seated in an
upright (to 30 degrees) or a semi-reclining position. It consists of two (2) antisubmarine
belts in addition to lap and shoulder belts. Note: FIA Approved belt
sets with 2” lap belts are acceptable with the six (6) point system.

4. A seven (7) point system is recommended for seats with more than thirty (30)
degrees of incline. Note: FIA Approved belt sets with 2” lap belts are acceptable
with the seven (7) point system.

5. The material of all straps should be Nylon or polyester, and in new or perfect
condition. The buckles should be metal quick release. There should be a
common release for all belts. [Note: Certain Momo brand belts were recalled by
the manufacturer. These are NOT suitable for racing.]

6. The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and above a line drawn
downward from the shoulder point at an angle of no more than twenty (20) forty
(40) degrees with the horizontal.

7. The seat, seat holes, and attachments to the seat are not permissible “harness
guides” for compliance with the angle requirement. Only specific harness guide
bars, or parts of the chassis or the cage are allow to be used for this purpose.
The guide bar, if used, should not present a sharp edge to the belt. It should
provide as much area of support as possible to distribute the load.

8. Only separate shoulder straps are permitted. “H” type belts are allowed. “Y”
type belts are not allowed. Each should strap must have an independent
mounting point.

9. All mounting hardware should be SAE grade five (5) or better. Large diameter
mounting washers should be used to spread the load. Bolting through floor
panels etc. is not acceptable without required washers.

10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 (for use with HANS only) and shall bear a
dated label of no more than two (2) years old. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
B) A restraint systems meeting FIA spec #8853/1985, 8853/98, or D-
###.T/98, including amendment 1/92 may be used. FIA certified belts have a
label that shows an expiration date. The belts cannot be used past
December 31st of the year shown on the label. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.

11. All drivers should take care to ensure that their belts are properly worn, adjusted,
and latched. “Cam-lock” type belts can be subject to inadvertent release,
should the driver fail to ensure that they are properly latched.

12. Any driver involved in a high impact crash shall send all of their safety belts back
to the manufacturer for inspection, re-webbing if necessary, and re-certification
before they may be used again in competition. Proof of re-certification is the
driver’s responsibility.

13. All belts should be threaded to the manufacturer’s instructions. An example of
one type of threading instruction set that appears at end of this section.

 

good lord. that is a lot of rules on restraints. now as far race legal what exactly are you referring to? as far as i know standard seatbelts are just fine to run at my track

 

not really.

they come down to this:

good condition harness firmly secured in a location that allows a safe angle for the driver.


a improperly mounted belt does more harm then good.

 

DO NOT DRILL YOUR FLOORS. wolfe racecraft builds a crotch strap bracket that bolts to the seat track, looks slick, hides well, and is fairly cheap. supposed to be legal.
i run 11's and never had any trouble with tech.

 

you seem pretty adamant on that...is there a specific reason? and do you have a link that i could look at??

 

ah, im picky. i hate to see an ugly metal bracket with a bolt shoved through it.
i painted my wolfe brackets black, bolted them up, but the lil black seat cover track brackets on and you cant even see them. looks factory.
http://www.wolferacecraft.com/detail.aspx?ID=252

 

i do like that...a lot. but i dont see how exactly the 5th point would bolt to that. it looks like just a round tube.

 

you have to assemble your 5 points. instead of using the bracket with a hole in it for the floor, just wrap the strap around the tube.... works the same. ill have to get you a pic of mine tomorrow when im in the shop. real simple once you get the basic idea.

 

"Ahhhhh.....I seeee....." says the blind man.
So you slide this bar thru the hoop in the bottom of the bottom strap on the harness and bolt this below the seats...
I get it I get it......

 

anyone here have a picture or know of anyone that is using 4th gen Camaro seats (or high back 3rd gens) with a 5 point harness and cage?


right now i have a cage waiting to go in, 4th gen leather, and 5 point harnesses... im going to weld on the bracket to fit the belts so they dont slide, but right now i dont have racing seats with slots for the belts.. is there a problem with them going over the top of the 4th gen seat at all? or is this a :nono:

 

thats cool. id appreciate the pic stage. i think i got it now, i was thinking too deep, lol (i actually forgot how my harnesses were put together until i looked at them tonight) but id still ike to see the pic.

those are a must now, but im concerned because my racing seats had to have custom brackets made and im afraid they might get in the way......damn

and AFAIK ive seen harnesses put on about every different type of seat made. it may not be "correct" but ive defenitly seen it.

 

i bolted mine in 1st, then the seat on top of the bracket.... im sure you could do it either way. i dont see a seat track getting in the way, unless you are really short and ther seat brackets are low, then you might not be able to pull it all the way forward.

4th gen camaro seats are a pita for a harness, IMO. i had a set, and the straps, when tightened, just didnt feel secure. if you really crunched on them, they would eventually slide off the sides of your shoulder.
i have seen this..... which would work awesome. head to a upholstry shop and see what they can do for you.

 

that looks awwwwwwwwwwwwsome... I want I want I want
anyone else got pics of anything like this?

 

stage20! where did you get those seats, I have the same ones in my car..... well similar and i duno where they have from.. They have the 30th symbol on them.

 

oh those arent mine, just a pic i got from car domain. i wanted to do that to my camaro seats, but opted for 4th gen TA leather instead.
they have a headrest and the belts slide right under now.
the car is a 67-69 body that those seats were installed in, if that helps. ive been holding onto that pic for quite sometime.

good luck.

 

with those APC seats how were you mounting them to the floor, i just bought the same set for my car just werking on the mounting, but i dont know if i want to fab brackets or build up the floor to make it level

 

i bought brackets some company made for me. i forget the company but they were like $160 and they took the car and seats i had and made custom brackets