I will be getting my bird repainted black in the future...

I've heard of black base, then a few coats of clear coat...
I heard of someone using a few coats of black, then equal parts of black & clear.... he said that the difference is first, looks like black with glass over it, latter looks like black glass... A camera man for Speed TV filmed his car & said it was the nicest looking black paint job he's seen...

Opinions??

Raf

 

I've never heard of that myself, but I'm definatley interested in hearing more about this technique. My black IROC is due for a repaint in not too long.

 

I've heard of guys putting down base, then clear, sand/buff the clear, then spray more clear on that to get a really deep look.

 

If using PPG.. that would be black base of a base/clear with, basically, black single staqe (or acrylic enamel) over it. The ppg cconcept clear uses the same thinner and hardener as their single stage acrylic enamel. Mix enough color into the clear and you've defeated the purpose of even spraying a base.

Just my opinion though...

 

I did base, then layed the clear....Dupont...Works

 

Orgasm plz post more pics sweetride45

 

*** i love black

 

Nice pic, sweetride 45!

Anyone else care to share??

Raf

 

Here is mine. (First time painting). I did black base and clear (BASF). (paint code MY052.20) for the gold if anyone wants know.

 

Ask and you shall receive...

 

SweetRide45, that is truly some awesome paint & polishing...

 

Thanks for the props! I have more pics, but don't wanna clutter...

 

The pic of your reflection with the bird in the bottom corner, now you're just showing off Nice... When mine get's painted, look out!

 

I've also heard of tinting the primer slowly until its just 100% paint. Supposedly gives a REAL deep look

 

U have to be carefull on what u tint. Not all primmers /sealers are meant to be tinted. Talk to the people were u are buy the paint and make sure u can tint it. Goes for putting color in the clear. Like deadbird said u are defeated the purpose of useing bc/cc

 

I just old school enamel, wetsanded, then buffed

 

sweetride45, how many coats of base and clear did you use ?

 

84 CustomZ28, tight!
I know this is a little of topic, but what are you and SweetRide 45 hiding under those custom hoods?? I'm sure that question will make me even more envious?!?!?

Rafael

 

3 base, 4 clear

Buildin' a 355 LT1 to drop in within the next couple months...should be interesting

 

nothing to special

 

MY EYES!!! TO SHINY!!!!!!!! LOL LOOKING GREAT MAN! Where did you get those mud flaps from?

 

Yea man, 45 and 84z have 2 of the hottest looking cars.

I'm hoping like hell my black paint comes out looking that good next month.

 

Close Stealth...
Everything but the buff.
Paint the car, base/clear, wetsand the entire vehicle, 1200 g Meguiar's. Re-clear, nice thin wet coats...don't puddle it up.
wetsand, 2000g or better, rub and polish. You'll wet yourself.

 

o my my my, that black looks awesome. Sweetride, did you paint it yourself or did you have it done. Also if you had it done, how much did it cost you?

 

Thanks for clearing that up, I couldn't remember exactly what the guy had told me.

Is there a term for that kind of paintjob?

 

Those black paint jobs are bad ***! I need to get my Black RS repainted. So, should I look for a shop that uses PPG or DuPont?

 

92lt1, painted it myself in my garage, not a booth! The hood was just recently done about a year ago....rest of the car, the paint is roughly 4-5 years old on those pics...

 

Sweet...
I have to complement you on your work. Have you ever taken classes on painting or are you that dang good!. Also what kind of paint is it? thanks, brad

 

black is black, i have yet to see any black ever that looked "deep" a good body prep and of course proper wet sanding techniques to get great image reflection like above is truly where it's at to have a nice paint job of any color.

the only time you would want to think about such things are with multi colored or candy designs. doing such adds depth to it by layering your tinted clear. even at which you'll still need proper technique to get a mirror/glass shine.

 

So wetsanding the clear then clearing again does nothing? Just a gimmick so a body shop can charge you for more labor?

Is there an ideal amount of coverage for both durability and looks? IE: How many coats of base and how many coats of clear.

 

...you know...i am CONVINCED that the second picture is merely a mirror with a bird emblem on it! lol j/k I just wanted to say...again......BEAUTIFUL.......ah....now my paint job looks even WORSE than before thanks to these beautiful cars here....darn the former owners and their "make over" paint job! lol

 

paint is only so many mils thick. what many do is they apply more clear then necessary so that you can wet sand it smooth. depending on the type of paint you can colorsand before a clear but your doing alot of leg work and that's typically for bad painters.

you need 3 key things.

1. a very smooth body prep with good coverage.

2. a good painter that can lay your color smooth and even with proper coverage.

3. a good quality clear, typically one or two more coats then necessary if you plan to do alot of sanding to get that perfect look.

now everyone has their own procedures and techniques but if you steer too far from this you'll just make it more difficult then it needs to be.

 

I mean...it depends what color you actually go with. You could take the exact steps....and paint a car white...and it will reflect nothing like a black paint job

 

there isn't a color out there that "reflects" like black. however you should paint your car for how the paint looks. the reflection is just a bonus. it's all a pretty standard formula, you add or take away to make it your own but follow the simple trail and you'll have great results. assuming you can paint.

 

Well alot of times people think the way they do something is right just because it comes out "okay" even though when it comes down to the facts they are wrong or somewhere it between.

I had heard about the whole base/clear/wetsand/reclear again a couple of times. I mean, is it just an alternate way to paint that is more work but ends up just looking the same and is factually wrong in saying it looks better?

 

those are some good looking cars

 

It's ALL in the prep work. Painting is the EASY part.

92lt1...no classes in painting. No special booth. No special tricks. Prepped it, painting it, color sanded it, buffed it, voila!

I used Dupont Chromabase and Chromaclear. I put down 3 base (just for color coverage, that's all), and 4 coats of clear (b/c you typically knock down 1-1.5 coats after color sanding and buffing)

Thanks again for the compliments. I appreciate it!

 

How many hours did you invest into the paintjob when it was all said and done? (or a best guess)

That one picture thats just a mirror says it all, beautiful. You must have some natural talent with block sanding the way that picture looked.

 

Hard to say how many TOTAL hours in the paint...but as I was saying, if it's just PAINTING, that's only a few hours at MOST, if any. Good surface prep is the key...then colorsanding, use a bright spotlight and hold it next to the area. Wetsand w/ 1500-2000 until all the "dark" spots turn "light"...that's when you know you have a uniform finish. Once that's done, buff it out and you'll be surprised!

Here's a shot of the other other sail panel:

 

Here's one I took in the fall...

 

Ok SweetRide 45, that's enough! Anymore pictures that make me drool and I'm just gonna have to get in my car and take it up to you and you will have to paint it...

Rafael

 

lol

 

I could look at pictures of your car all day at work. For total hours, are you thinking in the 100+ hour range, 50 hour range?

 

lol, thanks man...I'm GUESSING that total hours would be in the 75-100 range...color sanding takes time to get it right...let alone buffing...can't rush those things

 

Ok guys I've been reading today's post's at work...catching up.
Here's the jist of it. These aren't tricks, or "making up for a poorly qualified painter", as these cars are a testament to. They look great day in and day out for long periods of time. Cutting corners is what gets one in trouble and shows lack of quality.
These "tricks" have been around forever. Ask all of the top names in the biz how much work goes into a "show" job. These guys used to wetsand between EVERY coat. And here's why: It's all about the surface... You need a flat surface to reflect the light. wetsanding between coats eliminates orange peel, which diffracts the light coming in and does not allow it to RE-flect back in a straight line. It is not "" I don't care how talented you painter is, (and I've worked with a few that have just out of the box, RAW TALENT, for spraying), you CANNOT spray without creating orange peel. It is the nature of the beast.
You can, however, have less orange peel than another sprayer. (that's where the talent comes in.)
Starting out with all your body work, keep it flat.
Block and prime, to keep it flat.
Finish with wetsanding your primer, to keep it flat. ( you could in effect take two panels side by side, prepped the same way, EXCEPT: wetsand before paint on one, and Da the other one with 400g to finish. The wetsanded panel will look nicer raw than the DA'd panel.)
A show paint job CAN be had by just painting the car. As one person said, it's in the prep. BUT, part of the job IS the finish work and it's all about the attention to detail.
Thank you. That's exactly right. Especially black.

 

Just got off the phone with my bodyguy , hes gonna use Dupont Chromabase on my car. Gahhh, 3 more weeks, all this waiting is killing me esp. after looking at your cars!

 

Good deal