formulafastfoot

just bought a iroc wiht a Roll cage ... can it be removed or will it be ok with a wife and a 4 year old kid dose it hinder normal driving and dose it weigh alot to where itll cut down on daily performance

j dezzy

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get the cut off wheel/saws-all/plasma cutter out and get to choppin. if you're not going for massive performace get rid of it. just extra steel to slow you down and kill gas milage.

1320_Guy

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I would keep it if i was you. It will make the car safer and it should be easy to get a kid in and out of the back seat. Wouldent try puting a adult back there though.

Stevo

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Ya really, i would definently keep it. Thats a big safety + in buying a car with it in already. They are not that heavy honestly, you wouldnt even notice a seat of the pants difference in power with/without a rollcage...

tompumped

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Why would you even ask, they don't make cars safe enough as is. You should be looking for the best interests of your child and your wife. If you rolled it at even the speed limit without a roll cage, you'd be surprised at what can happen. Enough said

xpndbl3

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you can't put anyone in the back seat if that cage is there. that cross bar would most definately kill them in the back seat in an accident.

tompumped

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I didn't even realize that jerk off said it would make the car safer. Other that the obvious that you'd have to remove the one side bar if someone was in the back seat, why would it make the car safer. Actually I don't even care, it's not my life or my familys'. I had to butt in because of the stupidity, I couldn't resist. Think before you post.

formulafastfoot

well i was thinking of removing the bar taht runs across the car in the back seat and leaving the rest

Justin Horne

That's what I'd do. I'd NEVER put anyone/sit in a back seat like tha.. Even a VERY minor front end collision, even hard braking, and you're head/face/teeth is going directly into that bar. Not good.

That said, take the bar out... You're probbaly good.

formulafastfoot

so now dose it help with support though out the vehicle like SFC or do i still need to buy thease

niceroc

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take it out.. your nto going to see many benefits form ti and you will make the car easier to get in and out of... and even with the rear bar out i wouldnt put anyone in the back seat... there are still the main hoop which anybody that is close to be condiered tall will hit there head...you dont need it.. just take it out...

formulafastfoot

you really think ? i just though it would add more support

Stealthy-One

it will add some support and keep the chassi from flexing, but unless it is a track weapon with NO FAMILY riding in it ditch it. your wife will NOT want to hace to climb over it everytime to get in or out, and even if you remove the horizontal bar that woud DESTROY the face of any one in the back seat there are still the vert bars to consider back thier. turn hard to eithr side and you will here a BONNNNNGGGGGGG...... DADDDYYYYYYY MY HEEEEAAAAADDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!! just cause it is made of "mild"steel, it is still way hard compared to a childs skull.

Think of your family.

Stephen

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Leave it in, and just cut out the cross bar behind the front seats, because of the possible face impact, and difficulty with getting your kid in the back.

That's my plan...Coming from a guy who was ejected from a car, his wife killed because of that. The cage would have helped, if not saved us completely, and even those low doors bars are better than nothing, which a stock body has nothing tobegin with.

purpleZ-28

man, to be 100% honest, i wouldnt put my child (if i had one) in a camaro to begin with. but, if you want to make it safe, id say keep it, BUT instead of taking out the horizontal bar and replacing it with nothing, replace it with a diagonal bar. then cover the entire thing with foam and padding. if you have padding on it, it isnt a huge deal, also by replacing your horizontal bar with a diagonal bar, you will have one seat that is somewhat unobstrocted by a bar, no problems with someone hitting their face on it if its at their feet. but, it will be safer for YOU to keep it, not neccisarilly for your child however.

Anniversary-Z-man

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If you EVER plan on putting ANYONE in the back seat REMOVE THE CAGE. I would never risk anyone's life like that....the cage is meant to protect the front seat passengers only...the cross bar in the back will kill anyone in the back. Roll cages/bars are not for family car's, grab a saws-all or cutting wheel and get that out.

- Joel

formulafastfoot

thanks for all the replies

Forshock 85TA

Why not get another chassis, you could sell that one?

I would never allow anyone in the back. Roll Cage = Race Track

blyth18md

Definately get rid of it if you plan on having any passengers.

Roll cages are only really practical if your securely strapped in so you cant move side to side or front to back in an impact situation, stock restraints wont suffice. I garuntee if you were in a severe crash somebodys leg/arm/skull would impact a steel bar somewhere.

Keep it by all means if you can find a 4/5/6 point harness made for 4 year olds.

92RS(real slow)

I would say keep the roll cage, and buy a differnt family car

NoItsNotForSale

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I agree, If you not wearing a helmet and harness a rollcage is very dangerous.

scribbles

sell it and buy another car, third gens are cheap. it would cost more to buy a full interior.

purpleZ-28

fireturd350

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Am I the only one to notice this is only a roll bar not a cage?

I've used an 8 point in my car for well over a year before I parked it for the motor upgrade.

Since you plan on putting someone in the back seat I would highly recommend at the very least removing the crossmember bar from the main hoop and hacking out those bent bars that run by the sail panels between the hoop and rear supports. Also add padding to the main hoop and side bars.

Either one of bars would be a good way to smack a face/head off, like previously mentioned.

You could remove the roll bar completely if you're really attached to the car. If you're not attached I would recommend just selling it off make some quick cash. Normally roll bar installs can be worth $600-$1000 once you figure in parts/labor.. etc etc. Of course this one isn't up to TECH code, but with a little work someone could make it up to code with new side bars and few adjustments.

And yes, roll bars do weigh a little bit I would guess around 70 lbs or so (have to look at my shipping documents to check that though). They do strengthen up the chassis. I had SFCs along with other mods and I noticed far tighter feeling car after the roll bar.

firebirdjosh

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Roll bars are for track use, hence why no car- performance, luxury, or otherwise- comes with one stock. They're made to be used in combination with a racing harness and a helmet for track use. You roll that thing or get into an accident and you'll probably slam a body part on a steel bar. If you're putting your family in it, I'd take anything near a passenger entirely out of the car. The weight is difference is minimal.

EDIT: skimmed through the thread and noticed it's been said before, I'm glad to see other people out there have common sense as well, haha.

fireturd350

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Actually the ZL-1 Camaro's do come with a 6 point roll bar from the factory. Course they also have anywhere from a 420 HP to 600+ HP LS motor in there too right off the dealer lot. Their rear crossmember bar is removeable though, so it's not Tech Legal.

Stephen

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Which one is that? I've never seen one with a factory roll bar, 1st-4th gens.

cam406406

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why not sell the car to someone who will need a cage a racer?

Forshock 85TA

Umm where did you read that:
CamaroZ28.Com - 2002 Camaro ZL1 Prototype

kelham

Firebird josh , some cars do have them now days stock from the factory . they are just hidden inside the pannels, wrangers, s type jaguars any thing like that has them stock but just hidden...

Stephen

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The hidden steel supports in Jeeps and such, are a far cry from a roll cage.

fireturd350

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Seen in person at the La Harpe, IL "Fred Gibb Car Show" last year. Fred Gibb was suppose to be the one that started the ZL-1 craze back in the day, he has since passed on and his wife is in control of the operation. She had her low performance (if you can even call it that) ZL-1 on show there also.

They had at least 6 or more ZL1s cars present, with probably 3 or so with different combinations. Each had it's "advertised" HP rating on the hood. I can post pics on a website if you really are more interested PM me about it.

One of the top combinations was a the 427 aluminum block was rated at 600 hp, I believe it made around 500 at the ground.

Apeiron

Those aren't factory cars.

fireturd350

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I beg to differ they have a dealership name, code, papers, and etc to go with.

Putfile

TigerZ

ill buy the cage off you

Apeiron

Sure, that's all nice, but GM's factory didn't build them with a ZL1 and a cage. They left the factory just like every other car, and were modified by GMMG after that. They're no more factory than a Yenko or Baldwin or Hurst or Sallee or Lingenfenter or whatever.

fireturd350

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Ok, you are right I am wrong. Sorry to distract.

89FormulaRoth

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What you have to seriously consider is whether or not is if any passengers could potentially hit their heads on the cage in the event of an accident. Without a helmet, the rollcage could kill a person. If you plan to put your child in that car, I'd cut it out. If not, leave it in. Just my opinion, but my car means nothing next to my family.

Stephen

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Exactly.

With a cage like that, there is a very good chance I would still have my family. With nothing to stop the 3/4 ton truck, now I don't.

Keep the cage. I'm putting one in my car. Just ditch the cross bar, and modify the down bars in the back, if you need the room.