I re-did the hole car 82 to camaro with 65 327/30 small in it. The car never seen rain after rebuild 5 months ago, The car sat in the rain a few days ago and found in side the front passenger side full of water. I found a rusted hole under the dash close to the right side. Not sure how and why the water is flowing like this in side the car and there's another wall in front of the rust hole that is not rusted - is this a water run off that runs between the walls that come's in through the out side air vents in front of the window - how do I repair this. any help on this. Thanks I'm new to the forum

Not sure how to down load a pictures. I can email pics if needed my email is
jagcompany@aol.com

 

Welcome to the forum !!
Odds are, the water your finding, could be from a leaking heater core.
Pretty cheap and easy fix !

 

No not coming from the heater core, only when it rains... I can email you pics not sure how to load a picture of it. To load a picture it not like what I'm use to seeing in other car forums..


This is what the car look like now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTT_g...e=channel_page

Not sure how I miss this rusted spot, the car was red and the in side the same color. There was a pad glue to the floor and front wall. Man did not pull it back to check when I bought the car... but ok though all ready put over $10000.00 in now 327 motor rebuild trany M22 regeared all new springs brakes disk all 4 rear 373 posi cryo treat carrie gearing axels.

 

Hey man had the same problem with my 91 but I just duct taped it till I found a good metal fabricator to weld up the rust never had a problem after that I bet your getting alot of unessary heat inside to used to kill me even with the t tops down keep it in the garage till you get some tape just for a temporary fix

 

Man this mass me up to the water in the car, what I'm trying to understand is how the water channels through and drain out of that place, can you tell how to load up a picture.

Man I did not catch this when I bought it.

 

Host your pics on photobucket or some place like that and link them here. There may be a better way but thats how I do it.

 

Yea make a photobucket account, open up the picture you want from photobucket, it will have the img url copy that, come back here post reply in the top middle there is a icon that is yellow with like a mountain kinda looking thing click that and paste that url and the image will pop up if you did it right !
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I was hoping it would be the core since thats cake to fix!, So is the water coming in from the top of the firewall then ? where the black wire mesh things sit ?

 

Ok you try it, man it was so much water in the car I could go fishing.
Thanks James

 

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The earth icon with the paperclip will post that link like you just did, if you click the yellow icon with the mountains it will make it post like this !


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Btw that rust is nasty !! Im glad my car came from the valley here where it hardly ever rains and dont have no salt/snow.

I wouldnt know how to fix that other then to cut out the bad and put some sheetmetal or something in its place.

 

Man this was cover up with some padding going behind the dash and the padding running down over the floor.

 

Gotta hate previous owners!

 

Still having a hard time with the picture to up load, Thank to for the pic.

Man I thought, I as almost finish the car...

 

sometimes it comes from the roof

do you have t's

 

I had guy come out and look cost to repair $1200.00 man he's nuts

 

I had a quote of 3k to fix a fender on my car. Labor is insane!

Anyway, looking at that small pic, it looks like that is possibly the channel under the wipers that is used to drain water off the windshield, and also supply air to the a/c.

What often happens is leaves, pine needles, acorns n such get trapped in there and it accelerates the rusting process. The only right way is to cut it out and weld in new. Then spray something on it to protect it really well.

 

better pics click links thanks

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/j...ustpocs006.jpg

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/j...ustpocs012.jpg

man been mass around with trying to bring a picture for a few hours, I give up.

 

you got it on that one. Thats what we needed.

ok, thats to low to be where I was talking about. But my car had a small bubble starting in that same area. Where I "think" that is, is under the hood, under the ac/heater box. There is a place on the frame rail where crud collects. Lots of labor to access the point, very structural area as well which if not done right could lead to liability issues. My .02 says thats why the price is so high.

 

How do I stop this from happing, How did the water get down there, is there rain drain in between the sheet metal that rolls off to the right side under the car maybe. I need fully understanding of it. Before it can be repaired.
Thanks for your help

Can any help me load pictures up... use both paper clip thing and the mountain looking thing. I got now....
The car was red on red...

 

Holy cow !!! If you were close id help you put in! I wouldnt pay anyone to put the core in , its really simple, and if you got another person helping you, it will be hella cake.

Can pick up a heater core from the zone for 25$

So this 400$ job should only cost you 25$, some beer, and a friend for an hour!

 

First, I may be leading you in the wrong area. Heavly inspect your passanger fenderwell first. But I guess you would have noticed that by now.

next, I hijacked the first pic I found off google of an engine bay. Circled is kinda the area you need to be looking at. Under that ac box is where I think your having issues. You need to pull it out (easier said then done) and take a look. You might beable to wiggle a flashlight around to look in there. I would need a pic of a complete stripped engine bay to better explain.

As to how your getting water there. Water does strange things and will just follow all around the place tell it finds its next hole or place gravity will take it. Your cowl drain area may be plugged which is where the arrow kinda points too(pull your plastic vents under the wipers and look, or access via the plasic cover in the wheel well). Which would in turn cause water to go into the ac box, which does have a drain hole to where I am talking about.

 

I was trying to find a picture on line to see what it look like with everything remove could not find anything. Is the a forum here that show pics of camaro body parts taking apart, if not there should be that would be a good thing to rear ends trany dash boards and more down to see what they look like.

Only links when it rains, how hard is to pull all this down...

All so it rain today I went to check the car and water link from these pictures to.




temp repair holding

 

i had a hole like that in my car wasn't near as bad tho, like maybe a half inch in diameter. i just cleaned up the rust and put seam sealer over it from the outside

 

$1200. might have been cheap if he was going to remove the dash and paint everything as well.

And I couldn't even begin to guess what's going to be in the way on the other side of the firewall. I would imagine the wheel well is in the way and access is a PITA.

Carpet is definitely gonna have to come out unless you want to risk fire damage from a welder.

Only proper way to fix rust like that is to cut it out and weld in new metal. You could trim a piece of metal and use an adhesive. I've seen them do that on Trucks. But it's not going to look right. On the other hand who will ever look there besides you?

Depends on how bad you want to fix it correctly.

Sounds like you can't do the weld repair yourself or you wouldn't be asking on this forum, so those are really the only two options you're going to have that are going to have any type of long term success.

Only third thing I can think of, is you can get some tek screws. Trim a piece of metal to fit the area... and then run the tek screws through to the firewall to hold it in place. Then seam seal the whole area.

But you better be DAMN sure those teks aren't going to stick through anywhere where they might puncture you're tire. I don't know the area that well to be sure, I got rid of my camaro over 5 years ago.

Zip screws or rivets could also work and have less chance of causing problems with your tire. But teks are self-tapping.

Mathius

 

The total repair from the starting point from $1200.00 to $2200.00, I needed in understanding how the water drain off when it go's through the air vents out side in front of the window and drains out. I could not find any info on the net about this or find any pictures. I talk to 3 repair shop but all could not tell me how the water runs to get cought in there and where the drain offs are located. So what I mean is repair the sheet matel is not all to it, I have to no how the water runs through. I would hate for water to build up and start rusted the new sheet matel that would be replace. The car was red in color and the inside with a v6 automatic in it. The guy I bought the car from had this cover up very well heat mats was glue to the floor board and firewall. I just never had to pull a dash down before and do or learn how to repair something like this. Thanks for every 1 input this was very helpful. Cars I have now 84 Chevy S10 L98 350 40 over Tpi motor,84 mazda RX7 with 372 mopar motor 727 trany dana 60 rear,82 camaro with 1965 327 30 over small block chevy 4 speed M22 trany rear posi 373 gearing.

Funny I Learn almost everything of the net, building rear ends trany motors

Been drag racing for about 25 years My Dad use to drag race back in the 40s 50s 60s.

Thanks again to every 1

 

ok, that last pic is also the heat/ac ducting. You are getting water into your ac air inlet. That inlet is located inside your wiper cowl. Pull your wipers, pull them plasic covers. And look down in there. I'll bet there is leave and dirt buildup that needs to be cleaned out.

That cowl is also designed to drain off on the passanger side of the car. If you remove the plastic fender liner, you can see the drain area underneith where the a piller meets the firewall. IIRC its triangle shapped.

 

Dale, thanks I think I can repair this my self now, it's rain now here.
I bought a 82 camaro repair manual off ebay waiting for that to come in before I start pulling things down. I tell you what shocker to see in the car a few days ago. carpet all new, here a link to see the car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTT_g...e=channel_page

And few others I rebuilt.....

 

Only sure fire way I know to find out for sure where the water is coming in is to shake everything down with baby powder, pour water over it and see where it comes through.

Mathius

 

Cool may try this....
Thanks to you Happy New Year to.....

 

Good luck. Oh... I should have mentioned this, but I thought you'd get it on your own... the surface has to be dry when you put the powder on, or else it'll just get wet right away and you won't be able to tell where the leak is from.

Mathius

 

Does this pic help? I've got a simular issue on '82 Trans Am. The seam sealer failed at the back of the wheel wells and caused the bottom of the firewall to rust out and and fill up the floorboards with water when the car was driven in the rain.

As you can see by the lack of a driver's side floor board, its better to fix the leak sooner than later!

 

Thank for the pic, if you can seen pic of the dash from the in side that would help lot. The car I put more money than I has plan to spend on it, You no how it start something it keep going on, before this happen I order set of 62cc chamber aluminum heads, another manifold world motown, Schneider racing cams is grindding me a new cam, Man only got about 1400 miles on the motor now I will have few goodies for sale soon to.

This car you can drive on the street.
I may sale this car 84 Mazda RX7 with mopar 372 motor dyno with out nos
582 hp - dana 60 rear 456 gearing mopar trany 727, had this car for about
15 years only use nos 1 time never again I'm chicken
Motor built last in 2005

 

that car is pretty cool

 

I've had the same issue. The problem was in the cowl infront of the windshield where the wiper mechanism is located. Water front the windshield is directed in this "box" and is supposed to drain out into the fenders on each side.

By removing the wiper arms and plastic grills in front of the windshield and sticking my arm in I could feel rust but could not do anything about it. So I removed the hood and both front fenders and Voila! The source of the problem was easy to see. I gave it a good cleaning, patched the hole with light metal and rivets/screws and put on a whole bunch of seam sealer.

That solved the problem of water accumulating down in the corners but I was still getting a little water coming in towards the center of the dash (I kept the carpet out of the car for a month so I could see) but only if water was left to run on the car for a long time.

This turned out to be a failure of the sealure that sealed between the air duct and the cowl. There is a metal ridge behind the air duct. There had to be alot of water to rise up enough to cover the ridge and get into the open seam. A good cleaning with a wire brush and more seam sealer spread with my fingers sorted that out.

That was three years ago. No leaks since. Hope this helps.
Jon

 

Thanks jamon8 - I had few hot rods over the years fix up and sold them. going to hold to the camaro the 327 running better than a thought it would pull away from a 6 speed corvette I thought they had over 450 hp.

84 chevy S10 350 40 over motor tpi rebuilt from the ground up 4 speed automatic 390 posi rear...

 

J. Dyer thanks, your saying pull of the sides fender are talking about where the 327 is each side off?

 

behind where your 327 emblems are is where the drain openings are in the "firewall"... so your getting the idea now.

Start at the wipers and plasic shields first. Your problem may be visable and reachable from there. If not, then pull the fenders.

 

Man thanks thanks to every 1 here, I got it now going to start this weekend all be removing the rusted spots.

Order some paint today to go over the floor boad and firewall when get finish repair the rust....
When checking on rust paint I found chevy had a red motor paint 1955 to 1957 order some to, never like the orange paint.

 

por 15 rocks

I am restoring a 1981 toyota diesel truck

yep I am suprised as well

but man do I love por 15

 

don't feel bad. I have a lack of drivers side floor that I'm fixing very soon. check out the link in my sig and you'll see what I mean.

 

Por 15/20 I used in the past good stuff, they all so engine paint to.

 

I check out your car pics - chevyracingrox cool just like you I took my time on this 1, The car was the same color as yours paint faded bad tires rear flat, no back window with v6 and automatic, Had a time getting the motor mounts line up. I give you 5 stars to...

 

I also had a hell of a time getting my motor mounts lined up. I found that you should loosen them off the block, put the bolt through the mounts and tighten them back onto the block.

 

The 327 motor I had made new motor mounts the old mounts did not match the 327.