I've read the tech info.Want to make sure what I'm looking for.The 85-90 firebirds that are base modles.They don't have ground effects right?And how about the camaro's.I'm looking for the type of body that dose not have ground effects.I got a 86 bird that was stock with a 2.8 auto.were there any with v8 manuel hard tops.I don't see any for sale in the for sale forum.I'd love to get a stock v8 hard top with manuel tranny and no ground effects.I just don't know if they made any.all seam to have ground effects.and t-tops are everywhere.Well? What's up? thanks Bobby