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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 09:14 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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180 Speedo for Firebirds

anyone interested??? I am posting the template here, you NEED a 140 Speedo for it to work properly.

I can post a higher resolution pic here or I can e-mail it to you. The full size image is about 80K in JPG so I thought it was too large to post.

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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 09:29 AM
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 09:42 AM
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ok, i have a 120 speedo in my 91 bird... what does it take to get a 140 installed??? ive never asked,

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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 09:52 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
You need the speedo & the little circut board driver, thats it, about 6 screws to change one. (once you have the IP out.)

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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 11:07 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
I just made a 150Mph Speedo for the 120Mph Speedo guys if anyone is interested

Just a NOTE, I could not find an Exact Match on the Font, so I used my Formula Font that I created.

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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 11:10 PM
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Do you think you could make one for metric cars? People always look at mine and say your car only goes to 220 km/h my (insert 4-banger import here) can go to 260! That always pisses me off.
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 01:55 AM
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I think you should post the large version here (of the 180mph) or at least email it to me, crispyspiff@vision2100.com Thanks!
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 06:38 AM
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can you email me the larger 180mph one too


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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:58 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
CheezX,
If you Could either Scan a picture of your Speedo, or take a picture of it, I might be able to do something with it. I would prefer a nice scan of the actual speedo, but that would mean taking apart your dash.

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Old Oct 26, 2001 | 05:32 PM
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Would you send me a copy of the 180 as well?
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Old Oct 26, 2001 | 05:42 PM
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Could you PLEASE send me the higer res. pic for both of them??

Great job man!

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Old Oct 26, 2001 | 09:06 PM
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circuit board driver? what's that? how do i get one? thanks...

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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 08:26 AM
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How do you go about removing the black parts?
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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 09:11 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by j166a99:
circuit board driver? what's that? how do i get one? thanks...

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You have to buy a 140 Speedo from a salvage yard. The Circut board driver resides behind the speedo. I think its on the top, but I might be wrong. There is only one behind the speedo. If you ever take one apart, you will see what I am talking about.

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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 09:12 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Black84Z28:
How do you go about removing the black parts?</font>
What black parts are you talking about?

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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 09:45 AM
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If you can, Email me the high res too, darrian_fawkes@hotmail.com Thanks bud
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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 01:22 PM
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I'm up for one of the 150 versions...

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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 03:23 PM
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I would also like the 180 version thanks
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anything special to get it to work?
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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 03:28 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Before anyone else wants me to e-mail it to you, I am now realizing that there is more of a demand than I first inticipated.

I am going to post it on my website. It will be done shortly

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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 04:23 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
ALLLLLRIGHTYTHENNNN!!!

I am uploading the pix & pages to my Formula website. To get to it, go to http://www.3rdgenformula.com (about 1/2 way down on main menu page) Click on "modifying your Formula". Then find "White face gages" link on the left.

I just posted a new 105 speedo for all you 85Mph speedo guys too.

John

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Old Oct 29, 2001 | 04:59 PM
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thanks for the conversions, John...

quick question: by swapping out speedos with another (say a 120 to a 140, incl. the circuit board) will that actually have the correct calibration. will 30mph on the speedo actually be 30mph on the road?

what about an swapping an 85 with a 120 or 140?

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Old Oct 29, 2001 | 05:17 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
When you do a swap, all you need is the speedo & the "card" or circut board, and it should have the correct calebration. The ONLY differences I have found from each of the speedos I have is apparently the circutboard. and you should have it.

I went from a 85 -> 120 -> 140 as I scrounged in salvage yards for them You can actually dissassemble the pieces & switch your odometers so they have the correct milage.

Everything is interchangable from 1987-1992 is confirmed. I do not have an 1986, but I assume it is the same. 1985, though, I have been told is mechanical.

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Old Oct 29, 2001 | 06:19 PM
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great, another question if you dont mind, which cars had the 140 speedo?

there is a junk yard about 45min from where im at, and i thought id just call to see if they had that specific year.

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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Formulas, T/A's & GTA's

It all depends on the application:

Actually it is more dependant on the Engine/Transmission/rear axel ratio than the model of car.

WHILE you are there, try and get one from a 350 TPI, that way you can get the 8K tach to boot.

Instead of posting it here, visit my web site. After the Splash page, a little more than half way down on the main menu page there is a link that states "Speedometer / Tachometer Combinations - All Years" click on it and it will tell you which cars have it.

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Old Oct 29, 2001 | 08:10 PM
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hey could you send me a high resolution 150 one, i have some webspace i could put it up, instead of having to email everyone


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Old Oct 29, 2001 | 08:25 PM
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Old Oct 29, 2001 | 10:42 PM
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Do you think you could go up to 170 on a 90-92 camaro speedo (orginally 140)????

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Old Oct 30, 2001 | 08:57 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Trent257, go to my web page, I already did it. I got tired of e-mailing.

http://www.3rdgenformula.com after the splash page go to "modifying your Formula" (about 1/2 way down on left). Then look for the white face gages.

I could make a Camaro one, but I would need a nice scan of the original gage first. It will take me a while to do it.

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Old Oct 30, 2001 | 09:09 PM
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ok, thanks, ever think about doing this to a tach?

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Old Oct 31, 2001 | 07:55 AM
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I would love to have one of thoes on my Z..... What if I took the inst. panel out of a Z from the junk yard (145 mph)and mailed it to you? how much would it cost for the temps? I am VERY interested.
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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 02:13 PM
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OKFOZ, let me know if you would be willing to do one for a Z.........

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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 02:28 PM
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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 02:54 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
89formula422,

You can get it from my web site.

after the splash page about half way down on the main menu page on the left you will find "modifying your formula" click then click on white face gages or something like that.

you can get it yourself that way...

thanks

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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 02:58 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deepsouthz28:
OKFOZ, let me know if you would be willing to do one for a Z.........

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If you can get me a nice high res scan of the speedo I can do it. Keep in mind I will be using my Formula font for the numbers. Only a scan will work for accuracy. Photos will not work as well.

If I can find a close font, I will use it instead of my Formula Font.

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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 03:00 PM
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okfoz, the size on your web page was too big but i adjusted it and it seems to work great, you wouldnt happin to to have templates for the rest of the guages would you.
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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 09:31 PM
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I would like to have one in the font you used for the 'bird. I will try to find one soon and send it to you(snail mail, or e-mail)

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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 10:25 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
e-mail is fine, Just get me a nice hi-res scan, 200 DPI to 300 dpi will be perfect. give me some time to actualy do it, it takes me a little time to get it just right.

I have DSL so a 1 MB file takes less than a min.

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Old Nov 8, 2001 | 10:31 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
I do have the templates for the rest of the gages, its a matter of getting them on the web site. They need to be converted into jpg of gif. That too will take a little while before I can get them on there.

I figure now that the cat is out of the bag, everyone will want me to post them. I hear your calling Just gimme some time. I am engaged & REALLY busy.

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Old Nov 9, 2001 | 04:34 PM
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Anycjance you could make one for the IROC to extend the 145mph to about 160 or so????

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Old Nov 13, 2001 | 12:36 PM
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Thanks OKFOZ..... I will get on it ASAP! Do I just mount the temp over the old face?


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Old Nov 13, 2001 | 12:46 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RMK:
Anycjance you could make one for the IROC to extend the 145mph to about 160 or so????</font>
i don't think you can. i was bored so i played around with an iroc white face gauge on photoshop, and here's what i came up with. as you can see, there's really no more room for more



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Old Nov 13, 2001 | 01:27 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
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The firebird templates were really simple & straight forward. All I had to do was make a little back plate out of .040" plex & lay the template over that. I actually used a heaver paper because it was stiffer. "card stock"

I have noooo idea how Camaros work. The 'bird shines light through the back. I think some of the early camaros used a reflection type where they were made of sheetmetal.

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Old Nov 13, 2001 | 02:54 PM
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Could you make templates for white faces on the other gauges also?
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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 09:17 PM
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What will these guages look like at night, mine is white with dark blue lettering and a pic of the bird, and erased kilometers
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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 02:41 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
I have the gages already made just not posted.

As for nite time, it is up to you, there are many options, it just depends on how you do it.

I thought about taking another print on clear transparency plastic & printing a bird, or even a reverse of the top oiece so you would only see where the didgets were.

I changed the color of my gage needles so they were black. Take a razorblade & scrape off the orange paint, then take some black magic marker & paint the bottome side to make them black.

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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 02:52 PM
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What kind of paper did u use, and the light comes from the back right. I was thinking of putting a bird where the bright light signal was and making it light up when on.
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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 03:31 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
I simply used card stock paper. It is heavy like construction paper but it has a smooth surface like premium paper. Anything that you can hold up to a light & see thru should work.

regular Typing paper would definately need some sort of clear plastic back because it is flimsey

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Old Nov 17, 2001 | 03:29 PM
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Old Nov 18, 2001 | 06:08 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
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un4given89,
Why did you post the link to ebay for the cluster???

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Old Nov 21, 2001 | 02:09 PM
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What scale are these image files in?? What's the correct print size?! Can't help it... I'm lazy
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