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Hi I'm new to to this site. I don't know if this is the right forum or not. but I'll post this here. I found this 90 Z/28 in a barn (this is my first time owning this car and an I beam had fallen on it and crushed the roof in it used to be a t top. looks like some old high school kids car. I mean it's got some funky stuff done too it. but I'm hoping I can restore this car since its a real z28. When I found it it didn't have a title so. I managed to get one from one of the previous owners. He said he had abandoned the car in a park when motor blew. Came with a set of good centerlines Idk what's up with the Trans am shaker scoop. I would like to save this since it's a real Z28 all the vin's match. Engine bay is in decent shape so so far just rust in the sitting area. Will try and get better pics tommorow this is gonna be a HELL of a job Someone didn't paint this car very wel or take care of it at alll. I don't know if this car is worth saving but I'm gonna try it was a good rescue for a 100 bucks.
Please don't take this as a diss, but your pics absolutely suck and I can't really tell what's going on with the car due to them being so out of focus. Perhaps take a few more in better light and post them up ?
That's quite a project for sure. It will not make economic sense, but many of our hobby related expenditures ever do. But at a $100 price of entry, you are certainly off to a good start.
Welcome.
It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like a total basket case that wouldn't be worth it, even if you could do most of the repairs yourself...
hello all here's some better pics of what the car looks like. the dog house and trunk area are in really good shape it's just the sitting area and the top center support that are bad. I don't know how that is most of the car was stripped when I found it. When I ran the numbers it came back as having an automatic with a tuned port 305. It's got every powered option though doors mirrors and windows. I do have a floor plan from a wrecked rally sport that's got the rocker panels floor pans from the rear firewall to the front firewall. The floor pan also has those I guess they're subframe panels that the transmission bolts into. But anyway I have a good mig welder and done all manner of body work I know I can find fix this. It's just real sad what the previous owner let this thing turn into real sad.
I have to be honest. I love these cars and am a huge proponent of fixing as many as possible. However, I think this is way beyond saving unless it has some meaning to you. if you are dead set on fixing this car, I wish you luck.
Also, according to the VIN this is a 1991.
I have to be honest. I love these cars and am a huge proponent of fixing as many as possible. However, I think this is way beyond saving unless it has some meaning to you. if you are dead set on fixing this car, I wish you luck.
Also, according to the VIN this is a 1991.
I figure out what I'm gonna have to do in terms of fixing this rocker panels are shot. I'm gonna have too cut the car in half. The floors I got for 300 bucks already have rocker panels and torque boxes. Drill out the spot welds on the firewall,then roll the back half the car up to the rear floor firewall. I'm gonna pop the glass out then cut at the A pillar and b pillar and I'll just weld a hard top in there. They have a ton of hard tops on camaro parts world for these and I don't live too far from bedford. I'll keep posting updates from time too time. Godspeed
If you got the time and skills...which it sounds like you do..........and can get the pieces it can be done.......I think the floor pans are available...but there are some pieces youd have to fabricate....... but at this point I think you need to weld in some temporary braces to keep the car from folding before you go on / as you consider what you want to do..
basically it needs some floors and it should be ok...but id check everything..... EVERYTING first before doing al that work.
I applaud people for saving these cars, but I dont see the point in this one. You can fix everything, but in the end it really wont even be remotely close to being the same cool Z28 it was back in the 90s. Basically you are building a new car around a Z28 VIN.
Wow, there really isn't much left of that car. It's not an impossible project, but a whole lot of work and a pretty good amount of money even if doing all of the work yourself. I can pretty much guarantee that along with the floorboards, toeboards and inner/outer rockers, the front shock towers and rear wheelhouses are likely shot as well. Probably lower rear quarters and various small rust spots elsewhere that you'll find as you take the car apart more. If we were talking about a 69' Camaro, 70' Cuda or other fill in the blank 60's/early 70's car that you can get just about every piece of reproduction sheet metal from AMD or Year One, then it makes the project more doable. Problem is that other than floorpans, none of the underbody sheet metal is available. In some cases you can shape and form sheet metal patches, but that becomes impractical for larger more complex pieces. For this project, I don't see it happening without tearing apart a rust free donor car for all of the needed sheet metal pieces, but then the donor car is probably a better starting point than this car. Doesn't really matter that this one is a Z28. Even if the donor shell is a Sport Coupe or an RS, transfer the good parts from the Z28 over and make a clone.
Hello everyone back again had to make a new account. Still have the car,cut the mashed up t top roof out. Cut part of the floors out. someone had repainted this thing with bedliner found out this car was originally has white red stripes. It has.....ugh air shocks. Torque boxes are crumbled. I'll guess I'm just gonna cut the bottom out and throw an oval racer frame under it. Front splitter had to be throw away it was mashed. arched to the wheel wells out. It's gonna sit way lower. It's honestly a good transplant idea.
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Hello everyone it's me again. Cut the roof off of the mashed up t top roof out. of the mid way to avoid getting pulled out of the house. Brace body for hardtop conversation.
Floor is braced. I'm gonna cut the a pillar at the half way point. Then chop the b pillar,right at the base of the mid way section. Frame is already supported and it's ready to get a trans plant.
Like many other old cars its almost better and gonna cost less money to buy a
car thats in better shape and ready to ride.
Save alot just in time as well as money........
I bought this stock 84 HO from North Carolina
for $1500 bucks in 04.
(yes ladies.........I know prices are higher now!)
Like many other old cars its almost better and gonna cost less money to buy a
car thats in better shape and ready to ride.
Save alot just in time as well as money........
I bought this stock 84 HO from North Carolina
for $1500 bucks in 04.
(yes ladies.........I know prices are higher now!)
I know what you are saying. I've done the math on how much to get this thing road worthy. Honestly ,it's not that bad. I don't know what they did to this thing. Ran the history report on this car and it's been up and down the east coast from Wisconsin to SC. it's had 9 other owners I guess I'm number 10.
You DO know that you don't butt-weld pillars and structural components, right? There is more to a unibody vehicle than stitching metal together. Be VERY careful here...somebody dies in that car, you are the guilty party...cradle to grave.
No one questions you if you do it to a 1967 Camaro... But they think you are crazy to do it to a 1984 Camaro... We have come a long way....
I say... Kudos to you... If you enjoy the work.. and are capable of doing it... Go for it... Every third gen I buy is a project... Just not this much of a project... Because I enjoy it... My wife says I always need a project to keep me energized.
No it's not going to pay for itself... But if you pull it off, the pride of the finished car will all be yours...!
Your point about the restoring of a 67 doesn't really hold water. The frame work of the 1st gen F-body were simple strengthened channels. Unitized structure was in it's infancy. And, while the 3rd gen is not "safe" by today's standards, there are still overlapping folds and crush zones that are designed to perform specifically in an accident. The roof, specifically... has to hold the weight of the car in a rollover. Eliminate these, and you are liable.
While I agree that saving them is a good thing...some are just not a good idea.
Your point about the restoring of a 67 doesn't really hold water. The frame work of the 1st gen F-body were simple strengthened channels. Unitized structure was in it's infancy. And, while the 3rd gen is not "safe" by today's standards, there are still overlapping folds and crush zones that are designed to perform specifically in an accident. The roof, specifically... has to hold the weight of the car in a rollover. Eliminate these, and you are liable.
While I agree that saving them is a good thing...some are just not a good idea.
"The streamlined 1936 Lincoln-Zephyr with conventional front-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout utilized a unibody structure.[18] By 1941, unit construction was no longer a new idea for cars, "but it was unheard of in the [American] low-price field [and] Nash wanted a bigger share of that market."[19][20] The single unit body construction of the Nash 600 provided weight savings and Nash's Chairman and CEO, George W. Mason was convinced "that unibody was the wave of the future."[21][22]
Since then more cars were redesigned to the unibody structure, which is now "considered standard in the industry".[22] By 1960, the unitized body design was used by Detroit's Big Three on their compact cars (Ford Falcon, Plymouth Valiant, and Chevrolet Corvair). After Nash merged with Hudson Motors to form American Motors Corporation, its Rambler-badged automobiles continued exclusively building variations of the unibody."
Kevin, with all due respect to your point, which I agree with 100%, that car is too far gone to be considered a restoration candidate, I must correct your statement regarding the "Unibody" design. This excerpt from Wiki indicates that by 1960 the Unibody was indeed a fully mature technology, having been in it's infancy in the 1930s
I appreciate you researching that, but it is still not widely or reliably used by the sixties. Ladder frame/full frame vehicles were still the predominant manufactured vehicle (in fact this remains so until the mid to late 80's). I feel my remarks still stand regarding unibody infancy...then length of time that passed from the early utilization doesn't really matter. I feel it's the incorporation of the technology that pushes the use in to the mainstream.
My main view was from a safety standpoint. Folded and welded reinforcement inserts, frame rail convoluted areas for crush zones, collapse-able bumper reinforcements that absorb impact energy...none of which can be reproduced by any of us in our garage.
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From the firewall back, the first gen Camaro is a unibody.... With just a front subframe... When I restored my 69, we had to completely disassemble the car from the rear seat back... New quarters, frame rails, trunk pan, rear panel...including all the suspension mount points and reinforcements... First gens are not body on frame.
My point was more that people are willing to start with worse cars than we would have 10 years ago.
My kudos still stand.. I don't know the OP skill level experience or knowledge base... It might be too big... And it might go together just fine.
You DO know that you don't butt-weld pillars and structural components, right? There is more to a unibody vehicle than stitching metal together. Be VERY careful here...somebody dies in that car, you are the guilty party...cradle to grave.
what are you talking about? who said anything about anyone else being in the car? This a one seater dirt track project. This car ain't driving on the road ever again. You need quit doing drugs man.
I appreciate you researching that, but it is still not widely or reliably used by the sixties. Ladder frame/full frame vehicles were still the predominant manufactured vehicle (in fact this remains so until the mid to late 80's). I feel my remarks still stand regarding unibody infancy...then length of time that passed from the early utilization doesn't really matter. I feel it's the incorporation of the technology that pushes the use in to the mainstream.
My main view was from a safety standpoint. Folded and welded reinforcement inserts, frame rail convoluted areas for crush zones, collapse-able bumper reinforcements that absorb impact energy...none of which can be reproduced by any of us in our garage.
Ive never seen so many lunatics in a car group ever. Wanted to say thanks to the business men for keeping it straight and having an objective opinion. Now as for the Lunatics if think you can do better get down here do it. don't just sit there talk and walk the walk too. Otherwise.......get out of my way.
I am really curious to see how this car works out... Please post future updates...
The internet is full of different people... But some of us choose to be more open to what everyone is doing...
The good cars are always getting harder to find... I always look for project cars... That need my help... Not as much help as yours... But my wife says I always need a project .. if you can do it.. go for it... Based on what you say you are going for... This could be interesting... I was thinking about building a stripped down race version... But never has come up yet ..
what are you talking about? who said anything about anyone else being in the car? This a one seater dirt track project. This car ain't driving on the road ever again. You need quit doing drugs man.
The several times you referenced that you were going to save this car...you said "restore" which indicates (and you also said) to "make it roadworthy" which means it would be "driving on the road". I did see the one reference to the dirt track car...then your very next post refers to restoring it again....making a dirt track car is not a "restoration", sorry.
The drug comment was unnecessary...I never once ran you down for what you are attempting. I only stated what I thought you should do to protect yourself and others. But you keep being you...I can live without your condescension.
The several times you referenced that you were going to save this car...you said "restore" which indicates (and you also said) to "make it roadworthy" which means it would be "driving on the road". I did see the one reference to the dirt track car...then your very next post refers to restoring it again....making a dirt track car is not a "restoration", sorry.
The drug comment was unnecessary...I never once ran you down for what you are attempting. I only stated what I thought you should do to protect yourself and others. But you keep being you...I can live without your condescension.
Speak for yourself friend. You can take my words and twist around fit your make believe lunatic narrative all you want. I don't really care. I could write a whole book on the BS You've been ******* me with since the first post, and your response would be no I won't listen. The indignation you've suffered? Are you kidding me? But it's whatever you do you. Don't know who you are that I have to listen to anyway,at the end of the day you don't sign my paycheck friend. But I guess you're better than the rest of us and I'm just the most heinous,evil,vile person on the planet. If that's what you really think then why are you here? If you don't like what I have to say then leave it's that simple friend. But I'm not gonna respond to no more drug crazed nonsense that you have to say and if you don't want to be associated with it don't act like it.
I am really curious to see how this car works out... Please post future updates...
The internet is full of different people... But some of us choose to be more open to what everyone is doing...
The good cars are always getting harder to find... I always look for project cars... That need my help... Not as much help as yours... But my wife says I always need a project .. if you can do it.. go for it... Based on what you say you are going for... This could be interesting... I was thinking about building a stripped down race version... But never has come up yet ..
For sure my man for sure. I was Ignoring it there for a bit. Lost my composure there most definitely,but I never claimed to be no Saint. Like I said if they wanna sit there and talk and not pull down action then they carry no weight. Im not here looking for approval from no one. At least I wasn't dissing on anyone's else car like mine was. I was just sharing that's all and that's that back to business.
Throw an old stock car frame under it something along those lines. Sure it's gonna be a Frankenstein of a Camaro. I bet I'd be better than stock honestly. I know my skill of the craft and I'm highly confident this car can be pulled from the depths of hell. That's a good name for it now that I'm thinking about it. Hell-maro. Since you've been respectful to me so far you'll be the first one to see it or perhaps the only one to see it done. It's getting now no matter what. Besides didn't come all that way from February to quit now.
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Speak for yourself friend. You can take my words and twist around fit your make believe lunatic narrative all you want. I don't really care. I could write a whole book on the BS You've been ******* me with since the first post, and your response would be no I won't listen. The indignation you've suffered? Are you kidding me? But it's whatever you do you. Don't know who you are that I have to listen to anyway,at the end of the day you don't sign my paycheck friend. But I guess you're better than the rest of us and I'm just the most heinous,evil,vile person on the planet. If that's what you really think then why are you here? If you don't like what I have to say then leave it's that simple friend. But I'm not gonna respond to no more drug crazed nonsense that you have to say and if you don't want to be associated with it don't act like it.
Rage issues much?
Believe it or not, offering advice on repair is what this forum is for...get off of yourself, and realize that if you came here for everyone to praise your prowess and commitment, you might be disappointed. Put on your big boy pants and take some criticism, snowflake. Not everybody agrees. Nobody "dogged you" I made one comment (not even at the beginning of the thread, as you claim) and answered other responses to me. Then you go personal...and you "could write a book" on it? Maybe you should be the one on drugs...something for your hallucinations, or perhaps your schizophrenia?
Believe it or not, offering advice on repair is what this forum is for...get off of yourself, and realize that if you came here for everyone to praise your prowess and commitment, you might be disappointed. Put on your big boy pants and take some criticism, snowflake. Not everybody agrees. Nobody "dogged you" I made one comment (not even at the beginning of the thread, as you claim) and answered other responses to me. Then you go personal...and you "could write a book" on it? Maybe you should be the one on drugs...something for your hallucinations, or perhaps your schizophrenia?
Have a nice life
😂😂😂 What you're saying is just a reflection of you. Takes one to know one good riddance
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