SteveSpohn

Okay boys, here's the scoop.

My original order that was supposed to arrive in 120 days...it got screwed up to make a long story short, not on my end, so don't vent on me, I'm more pissed then any of you, trust me.

You want em, I can get em....150 days.

Let me know, and get a head count. If you say yes and I only order 20 and 30 people want em, 10 people will wait another 150 days most likely.

So the question is, do you still want them? If yes, how many should I order up?

If I order next week at the latest, you'd be looking at early May delivery.

Steve

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Parrydise7

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Dear Steve

Hell yes, I still want that part! I know it isn't your fault and I appreciate all the work that you (and AndyZ28) have done. If I can help in any way, shoot me an e-mail.
I'm editing this message since my original post was heavy on emotion and completely devoid of any information. I need the brake caliper bracket, I think it is the left one, the one that is no longer available from GM. I don't have the p/n handy. I'll add it later.
Hey, AndyZ28! Don't you have a contact at PBR? Can he help?
Thanks!

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jwscab

Yes, I am in definitely. Put me down for 2 pairs. Do you know about how much the cost will be? Please let me know about the payment/shipment arrangements. Thank you guys for all your efforts, it is greatly appreciated........

smurfmobile

no hard feelings , but most companies don't get a second chance from me so I think I'll look elsewhere...

thanks for the effort though.

SteveSpohn

Smurf, I agree 100%, the problem is this is the only place you can get them. If you find another source, I'm all ears.

Steve

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82zm6

steve, I dont care if it takes a year! I am in for 1 left carrier, or both sides if that is the only way they will be offered. Thanks alot for all your leg work on this project! If not for you, I would be stuck with # wheel disc brakes!!! thanks again, jon

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Intercepter

I am in for a set.

iroc5speed

How much are they? I just put on new brakes but hey I could always upgrade

vinroc

steve I heard gee whizyou think people would do the right thing! ok down to business I am going to need a set and also 2 questions pricing and are you still thinking of selling a whole conversion kit

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gravitar

Steve- You wouldn't happen to have access to the prints for these brackets, do you? I'm not exactly a machinist myself, but I work with several, and have a good working relationship with many shops in town. I could get a run of these brackets quoted for you, if you'd like.

LimaBravoNiner

Steve,

I'm still in for the left side bracket. I've got everything else already. I'm one of the people that were about 2 days late in ordering the "last GM bracket in the world".

Realistically, I wasn't going to convert until springtime anyway. At least now I can plan for it.

Do you need deposits or anything like that? Are we still talking ~$100 for each bracket?

Thanks for posting the status amongst the rising flames...

Chet

I would also be interested in a whole conversion kit.

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jwscab

Where can you get the adapter bracket, the one that bolts to the spindle, and has that 'unobtainable' caliper carrier bolted to it? I'm gonna start building this brake set-up, if we can get these carriers through Steve; thats the only piece still in question. Thanks

streetracer

I need the left side bracket.

TVP

Hey Steve !!!

Damn .. your post is a sight for sore eyes !!! I'm IN !!!! if only 20 people
reply .. count me in for a couple !! I'll
be the only one with spares while the next
batch are waiting !! ..of course someone could try and "cop" an attitude and pay the big bucks at baer , $1000 , for the same exact thing ... but .. I'd rather give a true die hard like Sphon the money !! baer is obviuously too buzy ..since they have 200% markups !!

JJ

I'm going to need a set, what is price looking to be ??

Apeiron

GM still has them, P/N 18016034.

jwscab

cool..thanks for the info about that bracket. What kind of price will we be looking at for these carriers anyway?

87Z-ya

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I missed any prior info on these, but I would be interested. What is the price? I take it these are the brakets needed to upgrade to the 12" rotors and vette calipers?

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TexasLT1

nevermind! I went back and read the post title! moron, if you happen to know a price, I'd be really interested. being on a very tight budget really sucks

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SteveSpohn

We have the adapter brackets if anyone needs them. They're $55.00 each.

The carriers should be around the $75.00 range, pretty much the same as GM charged.

I'm going to order on Monday. The way things look right now, I'm gonna order 50 sets. I think that should be enough?

Let me say this. If anyone needs JUST the left side, email me at tech@spohn.net before Monday. Unless you tell me ahead of time I'm only going to sell them by the pair. I don't wanna wind up stuck with 30 rights, and have no lefts if you follow what I'm saying.

If 10 people let me know they only need the lefts, then I'll order 60 lefts and 50 rights, etc.

And yes, we will be offering a complete kit once these finally come in. I don't know the exact price yet on a complete kit, but it'll be a damn good deal.

If the carriers were something that could be machined, we would have had them months ago. They're made in a mold. Sure, you can make anything with a CNC, but the price would be outrageous compared to getting the OEM pieces.

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Anyone who posted interest here, and anyone you know, or come across who is. Email me at tech@spohn.net and ask to be added to the 1LE Mailing List. I'm putting together a mailing list so I can keep everyone informed, and let everyone know when things are ready to roll. I can keep a better number count that way also.

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Tas

what's the differance between the carrier and the adapter bracket?

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TexasLT1

that was going to be my question. what do you need as far as brackets go and such to convert to 1LE brakes?

TVP

theres an adaptor bracket with 4 holes to mount the cradle/carrier on ... the $55 peice ... the cradles are EXTREMELY complex and would require a 6 sided setup to even think about CNC'ing !!! in other words ... YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY MAKE THEM FOR LESS THEN THE $147 chevy was charging ...not to mention Steve's $75 !!!!

gravitar

Well rather than CNC milling, I was thinking about wire EDM. Even without seeing the prints though, I'd have to agree that coming close to $75 would be really hard to do. I guess I'll just sit back and wait patiently like everyone else

TexasLT1

Im a little confused. what do these brackets yall speak of do?

Z28Express

Steve posted in another thread two links that explain the 1LE set up. I read them and they are very informative so check them out.

http://www.geocities.com/rgades/1LE.html?985236018930

http://www.isthq.com/~dan/1LEbrake.html

Gta-Paladin

I'm interested in a complete setup.

SteveSpohn

Just to clarify, the cradles should be in the $75.00 range, that is EACH, not for a pair.

Everyone who requested to be on the mailing list should have gotten a response. If you haven't yet, please do so. Email tech @spohn.net with "1LE Mailing List" in the subject line.

Thanks.

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a383z

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I would be interested in the adapter piece and we are talkin 55 each. I haven't paid attention to the thread lately but if we are only talkin 110 for both adapter brackets count me in and let me now how we are going to do the payment thing. Thanks and when we can expect to see them coming to us.

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LimaBravoNiner

Steve,

Missed your post over the weekend regarding the email list and the LH only requests. You should have mail from me this morning asking to be signed up for both.

Thanks.

BGNCHRS

Dan Burk sent me this link so I thought I'd drop this in. I have a line on brake parts as I'm in the AP biz.

Would anybody be interested in a set of NEW PBR calipers, loaded with PBR semi-met pads, and brackets?

Last set I got was around $150 per side plus core. Now the core thing I may be able to get around but I'm not sure.

If interested drop send post to BGNCHRS@yahoo.com and put "PBR calipers" in subject line with a return email at the top of the body of text.

I can then check the manufacturer to see what cost and availability is?

thanks

TVP

Vette Brakes has the calipers for $109 NEW .. no core required .... hopefully Steve can beat that and get us an even better deal on NEW ones ....

Tas

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

ws6transam

Please note that for $150 per side, includes "PLUS BRACKETS": which means the infamous "no longer available from GM" bracket!

I spent $90 per side for the brackets, plus $50 per side for pads, and another $50 per side for the calipers. This could be a pretty decent deal, if it goes through. I guess the core charge is the sticker -

--drb

ws6transam

The difference is thus:

carrier: A powdered metal cage onto which the caliper is hung.

Bracket: A powdered metal bracket that is bolted to the spindle assembly, onto which the carrier is bolted.

Clear enough? See:



more pics:
http://www.isthq.com/~dan/1LEbrake.html


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Z28ricer

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Steve i'd be in for a whole conversion kit.

SLP-GTA

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Hey Steve what would the appox cost be for the complete kit? I'm not asking for a hard price quote, but in the ballpark. I'm considering buying the baer soon, but I'll wait if the price is where I think it will be. In addition how SOON for the whole kit Thanks in advance


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91Firecrow305TBI

How much would it cost me to go from Disc/Drum to the 1LE setup? I'll start saving my pennies .

Dan W

Steve,

I have a few ideas that might be interesting:

I know for instance that '95 mustang cobras use a PBR caliper... and probably many other models of cars. Have you looked into the possibility of using a carrier from one of these other cars? Maybe the bolt holes would not be the same to mount to the bracket but you could always make different brackets that line up with both the spindle and off brand carrier.

Who is Baer's supplier for their PBR carriers?

I've read that the PBR caliper can be used with up to 13" rotors. I'm not interested in the 12" kit but if you fabricated an extended bracket to accomidate a 13" rotor (17" wheels probably required) and put it in kit form, I'd buy it if the price wasnt significantly higher than the 12" kit.

SteveSpohn

Right now "rough" ballpark on the complete kit from brake pads to modified spindles, everything ready to install right around $700.00. Maybe a bit less or more, but right around there.

That price is with Powerslot rotors, not cheap reman. stock type.

We looked into the Cobra parts awhile ago and it's not nearly the same, no way to use them unfortunately.

Baer gets them from the same place I am, obviously they order a ton of them well ahead of time. We'll have to start doing the same.

Steve

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SteveSpohn

The order goes in this coming Monday, I held off a bit because I still had emails coming in from people who are seeing the info posted and only need the left side. So if anyone needs just the LEFT email me before Sunday 12/09/01, after that they only get sold in pairs. Thanks.

Steve
tech@spohn.net

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vinroc

SteveSpohn

If you have drum rear it doesn't effect going to 1LE front.

The upgrade to disc rear isn't nearly so simple because the axles are completely different, among other things on a drum rear compared to a disc rear. It would be much cheaper to just get a disc rear out of the junkyard...or even go to a 4thgen rear if you're willing to go to 4thgen backspaced rims on the rear.

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wiggy'sIROC

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Kevin91Z

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Thirdgen rims fit just fine on a 4th gen rear end.


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Phil 89GTA

Been awhile (couple years) since I've been here and forgot what is needed for the 1LE brakes. Last I remember Guldstrand Engineering offering an adapter kit. Anyone know of this and the pros and cons to what is mentioned here?

Z28Express

Uhh, the 4thgen rear is longer that's why you need spacers to run 4thgen rims on a 3rdgen rear. If you have a 4thgen rear you can use the 4thgen rims with no spacers. 3rdgen rims would be sticking way out past the quarter panels!

vinroc

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SteveSpohn:
[B]If you have drum rear it doesn't effect going to 1LE front.

The upgrade to disc rear isn't nearly so simple because the axles are completely different, among other things on a drum rear compared to a disc rear. It would be much cheaper to just get a disc rear out of the junkyard...or even go to a 4thgen rear if you're willing to go to 4thgen backspaced rims on the rear.

would that still be the case if you have a pre 89 disk brake rear

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TVP

Last I remember Guldstrand Engineering offering an adapter kit.

those are long gone ... and were only $5 cheaper than chevy's peices .. those are the easy part anyway :\ ... the cradles/carriers are the hard part ...