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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 09:19 PM
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upgrading to 4th gen brakes

So i may be getting a donor car - 95' v6 camaro and it has a 3.08 disc rear to my knowledge. I'd like to put it in my '90 rs. I know i need the conversion lines will I also need a different prop. valve? also where can I get an e-brake swap kit?

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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 05:47 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

you shouldnt need to replace any of the hardlines. jsut use the ones off the doner axle as they are and hook them right up to your stock flex hose.

only thing you need are the conversion cables, hawks and flynbye have them. i have both, i liked flynbye's better, they are a little longer.

use a 1le prop valve, or plumb in a adjustable setup
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 05:55 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

If you get the rear with the ebrake cables attached, you can connect YOUR cables to the new axle's cables with stainless cable connectors available for a few bucks at Home Depot. Saves a ton of cash, and works fine - mine's been like this 4 years now with no issues at all.

On the prop valve - some swap some don't. If you don't, what could happen is with a stomping hard braking, the rears may lock up before the fronts. But that is desired (to me) - if the rears lock I still have steering! So it's up to you - you could see what happens without a rear disc valve, and decide after the install of the rear.

I'm not sure on the LT1 rears (pre-1998), but the LS1 rears (1998+) you must have 16" wheels to accomodate the larger rotor.
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 06:02 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Originally Posted by //<86TA>\\
use a 1le prop valve, or plumb in a adjustable setup
For best brake performance, use the appropriate--or an adjustable--valve.

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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Well I will have a set of rims to put on the back in case my rims dont fit, what if my current E-brake doesn't work? if the other does can I swap out the whole thing or what?
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 06:08 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

These are what I want?
- http://flynbye.com/catalog/i212.html
- http://flynbye.com/catalog/i172.html
- http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/li...ebird-1-2.aspx
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Yes. I'd consider the following:

http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i199.html

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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

what about a prop valve?
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 06:38 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

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what about a prop valve?
I was suggesting that since flynbye has the first two items on your list, why not buy everything there.

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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 09:40 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

I have a 1990 that used to have a drum 3.08 rear in it. I swapped it to a LT1 rear with disc brakes. I used Dorman C94264 for my ebrake cables and they fit perfectly.
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 09:56 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

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I have a 1990 that used to have a drum 3.08 rear in it. I swapped it to a LT1 rear with disc brakes. I used Dorman C94264 for my ebrake cables and they fit perfectly.
Out of curiosity, does your 90 have the tunnel-mounted adjustment piece? I ask because "apparently" cables for 89+ have two designs: the first design (1434 mm which has the adjuster and which is the one I believe you're using) and the second design (1460 mm and which doesn't require the adjuster).

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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 10:43 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Originally Posted by JamesC
Out of curiosity, does your 90 have the tunnel-mounted adjustment piece? I ask because "apparently" cables for 89+ have two designs: the first design (1434 mm which has the adjuster and which is the one I believe you're using) and the second design (1460 mm and which doesn't require the adjuster).

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I don't believe it has an adjustment in the tunnel, but I could be wrong. The equalizer is pretty rusted up and I might not have noticed it. I tried to find a pic of what I have, but I could only find a pic of something that I don't have - https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...e-adjuster.jpg

At first I bought the "second design" cables DORMAN C94597, but found that the holes that attach to the caliper levers were slightly too small, the length of cable between the caliper side and the body clip was too short, and the total length of the cables was too long. I was pissed that day lol.
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Originally Posted by pound
I don't believe it has an adjustment in the tunnel, but I could be wrong. The equalizer is pretty rusted up and I might not have noticed it. I tried to find a pic of what I have, but I could only find a pic of something that I don't have - https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...e-adjuster.jpg

At first I bought the "second design" cables DORMAN C94597, but found that the holes that attach to the caliper levers were slightly too small, the length of cable between the caliper side and the body clip was too short, and the total length of the cables was too long.
Thanks for the imput. Interesting as common board wisdom says first design (which I used without issue) with the adjuster pictured above and second design without the adjuster. Perhaps prospective buyers would be well advised to purchase the flynbye spec-built cables and be done with guessing.

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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 11:18 PM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

ok I got the donor car today and it ended up having drum brakes but their not rusted to ****, I was told they're a 3.23 lsd but ill have to check that tomorrow, will this make the swap easier now?
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 06:27 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Anyone?
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 06:47 AM
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Re: upgrading to 4th gen brakes

Originally Posted by sk8r fer life
ok I got the donor car today and it ended up having drum brakes but their not rusted to ****, I was told they're a 3.23 lsd but ill have to check that tomorrow, will this make the swap easier now?
You won't have to change the combination valve. I'm uncertain about the parking brake cables. If you can get the cables along with the rear, I'd try them first, then go from there if they won't do the trick. Also, remember that a gear change with affect the speedo.

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