Question about Big Brake upgrade
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
1LE brakes (period correct) would require 1LE spindle up front (or equivalent) and a differential capable of mounting J65 disks in back.
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Just do the LS1 upgrade. Easier to find parts and better than the 1LE brakes. You can also get a hub from Bigbrakeupgrade.com with the larger outer 1LE bearing. And as far as the rear all 90-92 rear disc are the same. They have the PBR calipers. The 1LE had the same rear brakes as the other disc brake cars only the front brakes are different.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brak...e-upgrade.html
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C4HD brakes use the 1LE hub. The hub is a turned down 1LE rotor.
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Shots fired! Shots fired! Send a wambulance! 1LE hype down!
You can't just go around dropping bombs like that.
Maybe OP needs to be a bit more specific about what he is trying to accomplish. Technically, there is no such thing as a 1LE hub. 1LEs have the hub machined into the rotor. You can cut that rotor down into a hub, but does that make it a 1LE hub? Hmm...
You can't just go around dropping bombs like that.
Maybe OP needs to be a bit more specific about what he is trying to accomplish. Technically, there is no such thing as a 1LE hub. 1LEs have the hub machined into the rotor. You can cut that rotor down into a hub, but does that make it a 1LE hub? Hmm...
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
wow the bad info or I just didn't understand the post above
no difference I 1le spindle and standard spindle the 1le you don't have to modify
1le hub and standard hub there are differences in the outer bearing and in offset
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brakes/117262-1le-rotors-interesting-measurement.html#post2195191
see post #5 on the offset difference
but bigbrakeupgrade he offers the larger 1le bearing in standard hub
1le hub if preference and depending on your wheel you will run as well as it might push your wheel to far out depending on your wheel specs
no difference I 1le spindle and standard spindle the 1le you don't have to modify
1le hub and standard hub there are differences in the outer bearing and in offset
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brakes/117262-1le-rotors-interesting-measurement.html#post2195191
see post #5 on the offset difference
but bigbrakeupgrade he offers the larger 1le bearing in standard hub
1le hub if preference and depending on your wheel you will run as well as it might push your wheel to far out depending on your wheel specs
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
when GM created the 1LE, the 'heavy duty" spindle was modified to accept a bracket for the PBR 2 piston caliper, and the rotor was a parts bin 12" from the front of caprice wagons and police specials, it was machined for the f body's 5x4.75" bolt pattern (the caprice wagon was 5x5). the hub was integral just like the 10 inchers used on the cast iron f body fronts
c4's use a sealed bolt on hub, front and rear
if you want to use a caprice rotor or a 1LE rotor to create a hub, the track width will not be any different than the 1LE, the wheel bolts to the outside of the newly created hub just as it would bolt to the outside of the rotor.
c4's use a sealed bolt on hub, front and rear
if you want to use a caprice rotor or a 1LE rotor to create a hub, the track width will not be any different than the 1LE, the wheel bolts to the outside of the newly created hub just as it would bolt to the outside of the rotor.
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Good write up on C4HD brake upgrade.
Also has different measurements and other options for brake upgrades.
https://lukeskaff.com/projects/car/t...brake-upgrade/
I did the C4HD set up on one of my 91s and almost have the all parts for my other 91.
Also has different measurements and other options for brake upgrades.
https://lukeskaff.com/projects/car/t...brake-upgrade/
I did the C4HD set up on one of my 91s and almost have the all parts for my other 91.
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
Currently running a standard spindle with larger bearing.
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
I want to run a turned down 1LE rotor (now a hub) for the increase in track width. This I believe will let me use my new wheels without any spacer. Was just wondering if I could do it with any of the brembo brakes from the newer vettes or if the C4HD was the only swap I could do?
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
but I run standard spindle on 2 other builds no issues
the extra meat doesn't justify the hassle to look for them tho unless you just personally
want them
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I want to run a turned down 1LE rotor (now a hub) for the increase in track width. This I believe will let me use my new wheels without any spacer. Was just wondering if I could do it with any of the brembo brakes from the newer vettes or if the C4HD was the only swap I could do?
the hub doesn't determine what brakes you can run the caliper bracket design does
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Re: Question about Big Brake upgrade
The bottom line is that you can make any combination of caliper and rotor work with your spindle, you just have to experiment with different combinations of parts or trust someone who has already done it. If you want to make your own custom system, there are many 2 piece rotors with hats that have offsets to make your combination work. Your wheel tire combination has to play, and so it's a matter of math. Measure and figure.
It seems that many people who think of doing these things want it cheap. If you can source a combination of parts from previous or other applications, it is possible to create neat, unique setups. I've done many, and I know what parts work. Example, you have stock 16" wheels and you want to keep them. You want 1LE brakes, but parts are virtually impossible to source. If you have access to a wrecking yard that has C4 parts, many of those parts can be used. That would include your spindles, a mount pattern, 12 inch front rotors from a non big brake C4, calipers, brackets and pads from a big brake C4 and your modified 10.5" rotors (make hubs out of them). You don't need anything else. Your wheels and tires fit, and you have front brakes that are far more serviceable than the 1LE brakes were.
If you don't have wheels yet and plan on getting aftermarket, put whatever you want on, you can make it work.
this is on a standard spindle cut to accept the caliper mount
It seems that many people who think of doing these things want it cheap. If you can source a combination of parts from previous or other applications, it is possible to create neat, unique setups. I've done many, and I know what parts work. Example, you have stock 16" wheels and you want to keep them. You want 1LE brakes, but parts are virtually impossible to source. If you have access to a wrecking yard that has C4 parts, many of those parts can be used. That would include your spindles, a mount pattern, 12 inch front rotors from a non big brake C4, calipers, brackets and pads from a big brake C4 and your modified 10.5" rotors (make hubs out of them). You don't need anything else. Your wheels and tires fit, and you have front brakes that are far more serviceable than the 1LE brakes were.
If you don't have wheels yet and plan on getting aftermarket, put whatever you want on, you can make it work.
this is on a standard spindle cut to accept the caliper mount
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It seems that many people who think of doing these things want it cheap. If you can source a combination of parts from previous or other applications, it is possible to create neat, unique setups. I've done many, and I know what parts work. Example, you have stock 16" wheels and you want to keep them. You want 1LE brakes, but parts are virtually impossible to source. If you have access to a wrecking yard that has C4 parts, many of those parts can be used. That would include your spindles, a mount pattern, 12 inch front rotors from a non big brake C4, calipers, brackets and pads from a big brake C4 and your modified 10.5" rotors (make hubs out of them). You don't need anything else. Your wheels and tires fit, and you have front brakes that are far more serviceable than the 1LE brakes were.
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I want to run a turned down 1LE rotor (now a hub) for the increase in track width. This I believe will let me use my new wheels without any spacer. Was just wondering if I could do it with any of the brembo brakes from the newer vettes or if the C4HD was the only swap I could do?
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