who has put aftermarket speaker behind those panel in the back seat where the stock ones go?? i got new kenwood speaks for there but everyone that get in my car and sits in the back hates it, its right in there ear some cover it up. so i took them out. am i the only person that has this problem?? any ideas on another place i could put speakers?

 

man everyone that sits in my back seat hates it there getting pounded by the subs and blasted by the 6x9's, that is why i am deleting my back seat all together.

 

Yea my rear passengers dont care for it either but oh well... If they dont like it they can take their own cars (if they have one) or they can go deaf in atleast one ear... :-)

 

Well if you have a good deck, or an EQ you can control your fade

When I have rear passengers, I take some of sound out of the back so they dont go deaf.

 

i have stock speakers in the front so i am gunna replace them asap and see if that would be fine, i just want to get more mid and high in there i got why 2 much bass, just dont sound perfect enough 4 me. one more question can anyone give me some info on the THX bluethunder speakers, r they any good??

 

MTX sorry

 

You fail to see the positive here. I have people who refuse to ride with me now because I have not 2 but 4 6x9s within inches of their head. Not to mention the two alpine type-s subs in the back. I tell people that I only want to take 1 person cause I don't like putting people in the back anyway. After even a 5 minute trip, the people in the back never ask for a ride again.

If you do want people to survive the backseat, you could put the 6x9s on a seperate amp with a kill switch. That way when you have passengers you could disable the 6x9s to save their hearing and sanity.

 

since i'm doin the sq setup, my rear speakers are faded almost completely out. sitting in the front, you wouldnt even know they were there. which is a good thing

 

I thought to point of the rear speakers was for rear fill... If you practically turn them all the way down then you would have to much coming from infront of you and wouldnt make it sound good.

Aleast thats my understanding. Let me know if i am wrong...

-James

 

The idea is that sound is coming from in front of you. The concept of rear fill is to supliment the front but without distracting from it. There's two ways to do it. One (and probably most common) is to turn down the rear speakers. That way it sounds louder in front so you think the sound is just from in front of you. The other way is to use just like a mid-bass driver in the back. That way the frequencies it produces can't be localized as easily as the highs in the front, and so your ears believe that the sound is still coming from in front of them.

Not that I subscribe to any of this, but that's the popular thinking.

 

well, you pretty much hit it. when you're at a concert, the band is in front of you, right? thats why rearfill is not necessary when you're going for the realistic reproduction of sound in a car. CDs are also only recorded in stereo, so all the rear is doing is playing the same as the front. with a well set up front stage, you wont miss the rears

 

I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with the front stage theory. I much prefer to have sound coming form me in all directions at the same volume give or take. Any concert I have ever been to has had speakers setup all around the main stage... granted I have only been to 3 different venues... Deercreek in Indianapolis, IN, The Gorge in George, WA, and ohh I don't remember the name someplace in Portland, OR.

But anyway... a full sound stage is best in my opinion, but come to think of it I don't ever have the proble with people not likeing my back seat *Shrug*

 

I don't know what concerts these people go to, but I've never been to one where there was a clear cut "sound stage" or even stereo for that matter. I look at it this way. When I played in a band, we didn't try to create a stereo image or even try and arrange the instruments so that we could localize the sound. You wouldn't necessarily put the guitar amp next to the guitarist if he was off in the corner. The idea was that all the sounds should come together and equal out somewhere in the center.

I dunno, maybe it's just me. But if you follow the whole sound stage idea out, it's kinda funny. Cause it's like, "hey, the band is in front of me. That's weird, I don't see them on the dash. Oh crap, they must be under the hood. Quick, let 'em out!" I mean seriously, the engine is right in front of me. That's what I think about when I'm in the car. Not where is the sound coming from, but what is producing the sound. When I role down the window and hear something growling, I know it's the engine. And when I crank up the stereo, I know that the sound is coming from the amps in the back. Again, maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have the band in the back seat than under the hood.

 

Some people like to be surrounded by their music. There's nothing wrong with it, but if you enter your car in a competition you'll get hammered.

For me, a good stereo means one that images and stages well. Neither can happen if your rear fill is so loud that it surrounds you with sound. Music is recorded in 2 channels and I prefer to reproduce it in a manner as close to how it was recorded as possible.

With pop music I guess whatever floats your boat is fine, but when you listen to other styles of music, a good solid soundstage is really a fantastic thing. When you listen to classical or jazz on a great system, you can pinpoint each instrument, and you can even get a sense of depth. The entire stage of performers is exactly where it should be and is as realistic as you can get without being there. The realism of the music is greatly enhanced when the image is stable enough for any particular instrument to come from one particular solid location.

There's even plenty of imaging and staging in popular music. When I listen to music, I want the vocals to be in the center, and all instruments to be positioned where the record producer intended.

The only time I like music in a surround-sound setting is when it was recorded for that purpose. I've got some concerts on DVD that are recorded in 5.1 surround, but unlike 2 channel audio, those tracks were actually intended to be in surround sound, and in most cases the surround was used simply for ambiance and simply added additional realism to the overall stage.

 

do you have the sail panels on that might mute some of the sound but my suggestion i know your gonna hate this but try turning it down a little or turning down the treble just a tad.

 

Very well said on all counts.

Most people in SQ competitions don't even use rear fill at all! They feel that if you properly have set up your front stage in properly positioned kicks, etc. you don't need them.

Me personally, I want to run a little bit of rear fill, mostly for the rear passengers so that they get some mids and highs too (a few of my friends have deleted their rear fill and all I can hear from the back seat is droning bass and nothing else). I understand that if the front stage is set up properly that rear fill wouldn't be needed even in that case, but I'm not going to go to the time/money/labor expense to get it THAT perfect. I'm willing to cut the corner a little bit. I care about the positioning and imaging more than most anyone I know, but not enough to delete my rear speakers and then try to reproduce it.

Jim, I don't think I've ever personally listened to music recorded in 5.1 surround, but when I used to post on http://www.elitecaraudio.com there were some who said that the music recorded in 5.1 sounded more like an audio engineer's wet dream than a realistic-sounding recording. You don't feel that way?

 

It depends on the recording. My Eagles DVD, although sounding pretty good, isn't too realistic. Half of the drum sounds come out of the surround channels.

But... my Metallica S&M DVD is fantastic. No inappropriate sounds at all come from the surrounds. When that stuff is recorded properly, you stop listening to the surround sound and start listening to the performance. That recording just provides ambiance to the rear channels, so it gives you a more realistic feeling of being at the performance. The crowd noise is all around you, and the surround content is such that you get a feeling for the actual room acoustics.

Down the road I'll have a 5.1 processor, speakers and amplification for my IROC. Until then, it's just 2 speakers in the kick panels and the sub out back.

 

i heard the nine inch nails DVD. trent spent months in the studio getting the 5.1 mix down and it sounds spectacular. i wont remove my rearfill just for the fact of passengers like previously stated, but i also have them so quiet it has little or no effect on my listening. i build a set of kickpanel enclosures (on my second set now, might think about Rez's cause they look better than mine) and i must say they do a lot for soundstage if angled correctly. a great cd to check out a nice soundstage setup is Nelly Furtado. its not the type of music i normally listen to, but some of the mixing is so well done that its feels almost like my soundstage is out of my car sometimes (very wide sounding). get some good recordings, listen to a well placed setup, and you may think twice about rear speakers. i also agree with the idea that i want the music reproduced the way it was recorded; instruments in their respective places and the singer in the center.