I had a 92 Camaro about a year ago, so i know you guys put 6x9 speakers in the panels next to the back seat.

Currently i have a 94 z28 (48,000 miles), and a 71 Datsun 510.

In the 510 i need a really good pair of 6x9 speakers.

I will be running them off of a 150 RMS x 2 amp

Is there any 6x9 that will handle 150 watts rms or around there. I'm looking for ones that have really big magnets.

I have at least 5 '' of mounting depth clearance.

I don't want to get subs because they will take up too much space in the small 510.

Thanks,

Eian

 

even if you can find a 6x9 that can absorb that much power without destroying itself, you'll never find one that can actually turn that much power into useful sound. Regardless of what they are rated at, very few 6x9s are going to do anything useful with more than 50 watts, and even that may be a bit optimistic.

 

Your best bet to go with would be the Boston Acoustic's NX97. It the top of the line 6x9 that BA offer's right now. It doesnt have an rms rating. It works well with 12-200 watts on it. They have Noedymium Magnets which makes the magnet small but still pushes alot of power. I have it in my TA with the matching 4x6's that are the NX7 running off of a 4-channel Alpine v12 it sounds the *****! Just dont overkill the gain cuz i dont know how well theyll do with full gain at 150w i guessing they'll be able to handle it but without a crossover they will definitely distort. so definitely get a crossover or if the amp you have has one kill anything below 150 hz. Otherwise you'll blow'em for sure. They not big on base like some 6x9's but my subs i have take care of that for me. But as it is i have the cleanest / loudest interior system of anything i have yet heard. With the t-tops off you can hear me from about 3-4 blocks away. The cops hate that though ive been pulled over twice because of it Again definitely go with the BA NX97's and if you want your system to match grab the NX7's. You can get them both at tweeter.

NX97=$200 @ Tweeter
NX7= $80 @ Tweeter

 

get one 10" woofer, in a small cubed sealed enclosure. how much is 1 cubic foot of space really worth considering you will be wearing those 6x9's out with less than great results, when a 10 would do the job so much better.

i had an old school rockford he2 in my 240sx for a while, (borrowed it from a friend) that thing was LOUD for what it was, good clean power is what its all about.



adam

 

Boston Acoustic makes some really good speakers. MB Quart does too. If you want something relatively cheap, go with some pioneer 4-ways. They sound good and produce really good mid bass in a box. A lot of 6x9's on the top end will handle what you are going to give them.

 

if his amp realistically does 150/2, then i can almost gaurantee that you are a damn liar.

no coax that ive ever heard did anything with more than about 75rms, you are talking DOUBLE that power, and Pioneer speakers? LOL


adam

 

I'm throwing about that much power at Pioneer 4-ways in a box. Works/sounds great.

 

The reason why i got such a big amp for 6 x 9's is just in case i did want a sub or two in the future. Plus i hate distortion, i figured this would be the best way to avoid it as long as i don't go over a 6x9's rms power rating.

The Boston NX97 didn't specify whether it was rms power or peak. Plus i can't find a place to buy them.

Here are two other's i'm considering:

Infinity Kappa 2-way or 3-way (110rms)''does anyone have a picture of the mags on these??

JBL t595 (search the web for these, the look impressive)
Woofer Cone Rigid-pulp
Midrange Titanium-Composite
Tweeter Titanium
Frequency response 35Hz-22kHz
Sensitivity 94 dB


Power RMS 150W
Peak Power 300W
Die-cast basket
Rubber surround
Rigid-pulp woofer cone
20mm titanuium tweeter
50mm titanium midbass

 

Hey does anyone make a component 6x9? or like a midbass(1-way)

 

Trust me, you'll get a ton of distortion long before you get to the RMS power rating of any 6x9.

Kicker used to make a 6x9 woofer, but I don't think they've made it in quite some time. As far as I know, no quality company makes a component set with a 6x9 because you sacrifice too much sound quality with the oval cone compared to round... and most people paying for components have subs so the bass response isn't as important. You can buy a quality pair of 6.5" components and easily fit them into a 6x9 location with an adapter plate.

 

Uh... Pioneer makes some pretty damn good speakers for their price. Their 4-ways are very nice.

 

ummm, i dont give a damn, i have pioneer kevlar 6.5s in my car, and they WILL NOT handle anywhere near 150rms, they might be taking at most 50rms, and im talking nice clean power.

yeah, i bet you like the new 7 way JL coaxials too.


adam

 

For the price. They are still cheap speakers.

 

You live in california im personally not to familiar with it but here are all of the tweeter stores in cali

http://www.tweeter.com/corp/index.js...cator&state=CA

hope that helps with finding something near you

and yes they dont give an rms/peak rating but BA gives their "recommeded power rating" (*** know what that is supposed to mean, heh lol.) is from 12-200w so i think they wont have a problem with holding 150w.

 

I gotta agree w/the rest..pioneer=poop. The infinity 6x9 3 ways arent bad, my buddy had them, and they sounded pretty good. However..i hope you understand the crap in crap out effect. The speaker will only sound as good as the source. My buddy had a jvc head w/those speakers and they sounded great. It got stolen, he got a pyramid..and well,...i never heard a good speaker sound so crappy in my life...whats the point in this ramble? ..you could buy the best damn 6x9's in the world, just make sure you have something good runnin em'. (you never mentioned what head you have..thats what prompted that). But infinity, jvc, jl, mb quart, and eclipse are all good..i'd stay away from pioneer, sony, jensen, pyle, pyramid...etc etc.

 

I'd definately put pioneer above JVC for most equipment, including speakers.

JVC, Kenwood, Pioneer, etc... those are all "mid-fi" products. Not bad, not great. Usually good for the money. Higher end gets you JL, Boston, MB Quart, etc. Lower end gets you Jensen and all the other worthless crap.

What most people don't realize is that the better brands like JL, Boston, etc... have entry level stuff that costs the same or less than the "mid-fi" stuff, and usually sounds better. It may not get as loud, but at least the stuff sounds good.

 

jim, like most times, im gonna agree with you,

guys, go listen to a JL w0, 100$ speaker sounds great, hits pretty hard.

go listen to a 100$ pioneer/planet audio/etc. Looks cool, lots of shiny stuff, sounds like crap, but because it looks so cool, you give it the nod over the JL, when the JL will last longer, sound better longer, and be a GOOD speaker.

when you buy something two steps above junk, dont be surprised when it sounds two steps above junk.


i have a set of pioneer speakers, that on the box say will hold 250 watts, im pushing roughly 50 into them, and they dont want anymore.

FYI, i also have quart tweets, and a JL 300/4, pheonix gold on the bass side, with some rockford subs, so im by no means saying to stick with any one brand, but watch where your money goes.


adam

 

I am not trying to make anyone mad. But, I can't just let this go. Onebadwagon doesn't know what he is talking about. I happen to be the product manager for a car stereo shop. I have been here for 11 years. I DO know a little about car stereos. As far as ANY car stereo speaker not 'wanting' or 'taking' a certain amount of power is simply untrue regardless of power ratings. The more powerful the amplifier, the more headroom you have. Personally, I have owned a system that utilized four 2 x 250 watt Rockford amps. One on a set of '50 watt' tweeters, one on a set of '75 watt' 6.5" midrange drivers, and one each bridged to a '200 watt' 12" subwoofer. I won a total of 9 sound quality competitions with that system. Oh .......... and by the way, the speakers were all PIONEER.

As far as your 2 x 150 watt amp on a pair of 6x9's, I say "Go for it". Boston Acoustics are a good choice. Also, you might want to consider Rockford HPC2369.

 

Thanks for all your opinions
I run an Alpine deck to my amp, so i am getting good quality signal.

I still would like to find a reputable online dealer for the boston 6x9s. I didn't find any on Ebay which is where i look most of the time.


Audiobahn seems to sell some really nice 6x9s but their magnet seems to be so large(40 oz.) i think it may be a gimmick(it's also chrome). They claim 225 rms on their 3-way, and 175 on their two way. Which sounds really high. They go for about the same price of infinity kappas.

I saw the freeair 6x9s by kicker on ebay, they look sweet, too bad they're used. The respond from 30hz to 600hz which would be perfect. they say they handle 150 rms on kickers support manuals.

Right now i'm running Fosgate FRC3369 and they handle a lot of bass, but not quite enough. 75 watts rms rating. they have small foam surrounds also

 

If you are pleased with the sound from your Rockford FRC3369's, then you should definitely check out the Rockford HPC2369's!!!! They have the same great sound, only more of it. They have a larger motor structure, thicker cones, and butyl surrounds. I sell a ton of them. I haven't had a single complaint about them yet.

 

Just a side note guys, frequently, when people hear distortion, they assume its the speakers, when in fact its the amp thats distorting. if your amp is rated at 50w, and you are getting distortion at moderate levels, despite having good speakers, it may just be your amp.

another side note - people always go too big with subs as well, go for the smallest one you can, less physical size, means better agility in moving between frequency extremes.

 

I'm running a profile clarius amp 150rms to each channel. The 6x9's are getting plenty power. I just want more bass than the speakers can put out. I'm deciding between the Rockford Fosgate HPC2369 and the Infinity Kappa 3-way 6x9. I think i'm leaning towards the kappas because they use external crossovers. Wouldn't that make it better than the fosgates?

 

Due to the shape of the cone on a 6x9 it will always distort before a round speaker of the same build. The cone flatens out to much around the ends. Perhaps if it was built like an L7/5 then it would not be so bad but then it would be very ineffcient.

Also there are way more varibles on a speaker than the size of cone the dictates how good it will sound. I will put my 12A up to most 8's or 10's on the market and it will sound just as good if not better than them in its frequency range. IMO more of the problem is people trying to use their subs for to large of a frequency band and that will make it sound bad. Subs are for low frequency 60 htz and down, Midbass is for the upper registor of bass.

 

"As far as ANY car stereo speaker not 'wanting' or 'taking' a certain amount of power is simply untrue regardless of power ratings"



so let me get this correct, any speaker will hold any amount of power? what the hell are you saying man?

dont say that i dont know what im talking about, because the fact is that i do.

and FYI all of rockford fosgates mids/highs that i have heard didnt sound all that great, and in some instances sounded bad.



go do a search on my posts, and check out how i always recommend having more amplifier than the speaker needs, as to get nice clean power, but clean power is still power, and at some point, you will find the limit of what the speaker can handle.



adam

 

I JUST bought some alpine ones and they sound pretty good, but if u want any speakers to sound great put them in a 6x9 box. isaw a kid who had just 6x9 in two boxes in the trunk and it hit like 10" subs and sounded like killer speakers.

 

I've decided on the Infinity Kappa 693.5i is best suited for the amount of power i'm going to give them.

They have:

-35 more rms watt handling capability

-external crossovers

-180 more peak watt handling capability

-rubber woofer surrounds

I sure hope they give me that extra bass response i'm looking for.

Plus they are available on ebay for $125 plus shipping all day.

 

onebadwagon---the statement you make about reaching a speaker's limit is true.......IF you drive around listening to test tones. If all you listen to is a 50Hz sine wave, sure...you are going to melt down some speakers. I was assuming that we were talking about listening to normal music and on a system that the gain structure was properly set up for minimal distortion. An amplifier rating is a representation of what the collective sum of the output transistors in the amp are capable of producing given a certain supply voltage at a given output impedance. You can think of it like this --- somebody says their car produces 300 horsepower. That doesn't mean that as soon as they turn the key there is 300 horses transferred to the rear wheels. If so, there would be a lot of crashed cars. No one ever blew a 'healthy' engine during normal driving conditions regardless of how much horsepower it was capable of producing. No one has ever damaged a 'healthy' speaker during normal listening conditions regardless of how much power a properly set up amplifier was capable of producing. In all actuality, during normal listening with normal music, an amplifier is producing less than 1/10th of its capable output. In other words, a 100 watt rms amp is usually producing less than 10 watts during normal listening. The reason you buy high-quality, higher power amplifiers is for dynamic headroom. When the bass-drum hits in your favorite song every couple of seconds, you want the full 100 watts to be delivered to the speaker so that you can feel it. Just like when you need to pass an 18-wheeler on the highway, you want those 300 horses. A quality speaker can easily handle a power input many many times its 'rated' power for the split-second that it takes for the bass-drum note to hit. Finally, if you truly are supplying a speaker with too much output voltage, the speaker will give you plenty of warning before its destroys itself. It will sound horribly distorted. In which case, you simply reach for the volume control on the radio and turn it down a notch until the distortion goes away.

 

i am fully aware of that, but the fact is, you can still over power the speakers, with the music that some of us listen to, with hard hitting basslines, rapid drum beats, it is VERY easy to push a speaker too far, and alot of people dont have the ear to determine this as distortion. at least as speaker distortion, not musical distortion (i know that doesnt make sense, i was referring to the distortion used when making the music).


i am very aware of how amplifiers work, and do not go around blowing speakers and listening to sine waves. what i said was true.



adam

 

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I was wondering what the best 6x9s would be without any amplifier or anything, just running off the head unit. I want/need something that has some bass to it because the ones I have don't really do anything for me. They don't "hit" or anything, you really can't feel the music. And when I have the volume what I would consider moderately loud, they pop and it sounds really crappy. Any suggestions? Thanks.

 

you should really consider getting an amp. A brand new Profile CA200 is a very nice 2-channel amp(65rms x 2) that would make a world of difference in the way your 6x9's sound. CA200 can be had on ebay for $50 +shipping

 

I read some message on a board saying the Infinity kappas don't have a whole lot of bass response because they are made for a system that has subs? Is this true? This really threw my mind for a spin.

If so I will look into the Rockford HPC2369 if they will withstand more 'clean' bass.

Has anyone had any experience with the Audiobahn 6x9's?

 

I have Soundstream Tarantula 6x9's in my trunk. They are 150 watts RMS and come with crossovers. I use a Profile Clarus 400 amp. Its sounds great when i put the 6x9s in boxes in the beck of my hatch

 

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most speakers will handle as much CLEAN (undistorted) music material as you can pump into them. What causes speakers to blow is when the amplifier goes into "clipping" (distortion), and the speaker heats up trying to reproduce what's fed into it. (short version) Speaker power ratings are useless. Buy the biggest amp you can afford so you won't drive it into clipping. That's where the problems begin.

 

i have fallen in love with the pioneer 6 x 9's i put behind the sail panels. check out some reviews and specs... TS-E6990 http://www.carreview.com/Speakers/Pi...5_1805crx.aspx :lala: (<--what the hell is that???)

 

Infinity kappa's. They're a tad bright, but excellent otherwise.

 

Actually the NX97 is one of the lowest quality that Boston offers.



This will bring you up to speed quickly. I have some FX8 5"x7" behind the seat in my 89 Nissan Pickup with some Rally Series RM-6 6-1/2" in the doors. They sound sooooooo clean and the RM 6 handle 200 watts total and 50W RMS.

The SL 95's are the best 6"x9" they offer and they only handle 60W RMS with 200W peaks. I have the RM9 6"x9" (55W RMS) in my Camaro but I don't have but deck power to drive them right at this time. Once I get my car out of the shop, I will install my amp and the rest of my speakers then kick some booty.....

 

Does anyone have the MB Quartz 6x9? opinions? How about the Audiobahns?

 

I have a set of Eclipse 6x9's, talk about awesome!

 

Hey does anyone have connections with kicker?? I would like to know where to get the F6x9c Free air 6x9 subwoofers. Just curious of how much they cost.

 

my friend has alll infinity kappas in his maxima.... it sounds GREAT.... the only thing missing is low end mid range bass.... prob gonna get sum off ebay for cheap... ebay can rock.... sumtimes it can suck .. be WISE

 

I just sold a pair of them on ebay about a month ago for $80. I wouldent waste my time with them. they really do sound horrible.

 

I once hooked a sony 12 up to a wall outlet, yes a wall outlet, to see how long it would hadle it. Why all the talk about 6x9's anyway. they suck , that reminds me i gotta get some 61/2's and some 8 inch subs.

 

Profile driving Soundstream? Those poor speakers...

 

Stealth sub!