Sub Box in rear storage compartment
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Sub Box in rear storage compartment
Has anyone ever put a single sub box in the rear storage compartment on the drivers side? I need my trunk, but want to put a single sub in there.
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Yep, REZN8R made a fiberglass box to fit in there. I don't think he made too many before he left with his Army unit.
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just remember... to get any decent sound out a box that small, you will need one of the two, or both...
1. extremely powerful, high-quality subwoofer, box, and amplifier set-up.
2. or a ported enclosure... although this will be tricky because most manufacturers don't recommend boxes this small even for 10's...
I would recommend making a camoflouge box that fits down in your well, with a porthole firing upwards, or rear-facing... I would always make the sub face down, or rear as well, to get the most bass out of your small speaker.
1. extremely powerful, high-quality subwoofer, box, and amplifier set-up.
2. or a ported enclosure... although this will be tricky because most manufacturers don't recommend boxes this small even for 10's...
I would recommend making a camoflouge box that fits down in your well, with a porthole firing upwards, or rear-facing... I would always make the sub face down, or rear as well, to get the most bass out of your small speaker.
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The box pictured has an airspace of .54cf I believe. There are quite a few subs that will work. REZN had a list on his site at one point.
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ah I see...
well, one thing I've noticed (to an extent,) is that the bigger a sealed enclosure is... the better it sounds (bass-wise)... I believe it helps the sq as well, as long as you don't go too big... because I got into an argument with some guy over these 12's I was buying from him... I had built a rectangular prism standard crappy box to sit in my hatch area, or fit in my well as well..(doh)...
anyways, he wondered why I made the box so small, and I said that I looked up the specs for the subs, and I made them .1 cf bigger for each sub than orion told me I needed... then he told me to take them out, and we put them in this "Gi-Normous" box he had them in, when he drove his ford explorer... and it was at least 3 times louder... on my amp even... just having the box sitting on the ground next to my car...
so I went out and made the biggest box that our car could reasonably fit, and it sounded much better... screw the manufacturers specs... just go as big as possible!
well, one thing I've noticed (to an extent,) is that the bigger a sealed enclosure is... the better it sounds (bass-wise)... I believe it helps the sq as well, as long as you don't go too big... because I got into an argument with some guy over these 12's I was buying from him... I had built a rectangular prism standard crappy box to sit in my hatch area, or fit in my well as well..(doh)...
anyways, he wondered why I made the box so small, and I said that I looked up the specs for the subs, and I made them .1 cf bigger for each sub than orion told me I needed... then he told me to take them out, and we put them in this "Gi-Normous" box he had them in, when he drove his ford explorer... and it was at least 3 times louder... on my amp even... just having the box sitting on the ground next to my car...
so I went out and made the biggest box that our car could reasonably fit, and it sounded much better... screw the manufacturers specs... just go as big as possible!
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Originally posted by ScrapMaker
ah I see...
well, one thing I've noticed (to an extent,) is that the bigger a sealed enclosure is... the better it sounds (bass-wise)... I believe it helps the sq as well, as long as you don't go too big... because I got into an argument with some guy over these 12's I was buying from him... I had built a rectangular prism standard crappy box to sit in my hatch area, or fit in my well as well..(doh)...
anyways, he wondered why I made the box so small, and I said that I looked up the specs for the subs, and I made them .1 cf bigger for each sub than orion told me I needed... then he told me to take them out, and we put them in this "Gi-Normous" box he had them in, when he drove his ford explorer... and it was at least 3 times louder... on my amp even... just having the box sitting on the ground next to my car...
so I went out and made the biggest box that our car could reasonably fit, and it sounded much better... screw the manufacturers specs... just go as big as possible!
ah I see...
well, one thing I've noticed (to an extent,) is that the bigger a sealed enclosure is... the better it sounds (bass-wise)... I believe it helps the sq as well, as long as you don't go too big... because I got into an argument with some guy over these 12's I was buying from him... I had built a rectangular prism standard crappy box to sit in my hatch area, or fit in my well as well..(doh)...
anyways, he wondered why I made the box so small, and I said that I looked up the specs for the subs, and I made them .1 cf bigger for each sub than orion told me I needed... then he told me to take them out, and we put them in this "Gi-Normous" box he had them in, when he drove his ford explorer... and it was at least 3 times louder... on my amp even... just having the box sitting on the ground next to my car...
so I went out and made the biggest box that our car could reasonably fit, and it sounded much better... screw the manufacturers specs... just go as big as possible!
bigger is NOT better. here's why:1. major power handling loss - boxes that are too big lose any power handling they had. you wanna put 500 watts on a sub that handles 500 watts? don't do it in a box to big
2. ever heard of a concept of total-q? in a sealed box, the interaction between the sub and the size of the enclosure determine the Q of the box. A Q of 0.707 is considered the perfect mix of "boominess" and "tightness". A higher Q (1.0 and over) gets boomy. A lower q (0.5 and lower) gets very snappy. A larger box will cause a lower Q. thus, you lose any additional low end extension a proper box might have had.
the 3rd gen fbody is notorious for massive cabin gain. this means that even simple systems can be made to wail. don't mistake this for "bigger is better" my friend. a real-world example for you:
customer with a 2004 Cavalier 2 door sedan. had a pair of Alpine Type E 10's in a factory built Alpine box. To my eyes (and measurements) the box was way too big. We built a new box that was almost half the size, which fit MUCH better and allowed access to the spare tire. Customer immediately noted how much "better" it sounded. It was cleaner, tighter, and far more accurate. I was now also able to setup the amp (a large 2 channel bridged mono) to maximize output. the bigger box just didn't allow the power because the subs flopped badly (no power handling, remember?)
the car now has just about the same amount of output, with substantially increased fidelity and about 50% less trunk space consumed.
is bigger really better??
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Originally posted by HamiltonAudio
wow....a little bit of mis information will go a long way
bigger is NOT better. here's why:
1. major power handling loss - boxes that are too big lose any power handling they had. you wanna put 500 watts on a sub that handles 500 watts? don't do it in a box to big
2. ever heard of a concept of total-q? in a sealed box, the interaction between the sub and the size of the enclosure determine the Q of the box. A Q of 0.707 is considered the perfect mix of "boominess" and "tightness". A higher Q (1.0 and over) gets boomy. A lower q (0.5 and lower) gets very snappy. A larger box will cause a lower Q. thus, you lose any additional low end extension a proper box might have had.
the 3rd gen fbody is notorious for massive cabin gain. this means that even simple systems can be made to wail. don't mistake this for "bigger is better" my friend. a real-world example for you:
customer with a 2004 Cavalier 2 door sedan. had a pair of Alpine Type E 10's in a factory built Alpine box. To my eyes (and measurements) the box was way too big. We built a new box that was almost half the size, which fit MUCH better and allowed access to the spare tire. Customer immediately noted how much "better" it sounded. It was cleaner, tighter, and far more accurate. I was now also able to setup the amp (a large 2 channel bridged mono) to maximize output. the bigger box just didn't allow the power because the subs flopped badly (no power handling, remember?)
the car now has just about the same amount of output, with substantially increased fidelity and about 50% less trunk space consumed.
a large portion of what people often miss is that a vehicle exhibits major influence on the sound of the setup (cabin gain). when designing an enclosure, taking this gain into account (and knowing where the gain is) allows you to tune the design to maximize SMOOTH frequency response. Ever been in a car that was crazy-loud on certain songs, but weak as F**K with others? thats /not/ smooth
is bigger really better??
bmoney
wow....a little bit of mis information will go a long way
bigger is NOT better. here's why:1. major power handling loss - boxes that are too big lose any power handling they had. you wanna put 500 watts on a sub that handles 500 watts? don't do it in a box to big
2. ever heard of a concept of total-q? in a sealed box, the interaction between the sub and the size of the enclosure determine the Q of the box. A Q of 0.707 is considered the perfect mix of "boominess" and "tightness". A higher Q (1.0 and over) gets boomy. A lower q (0.5 and lower) gets very snappy. A larger box will cause a lower Q. thus, you lose any additional low end extension a proper box might have had.
the 3rd gen fbody is notorious for massive cabin gain. this means that even simple systems can be made to wail. don't mistake this for "bigger is better" my friend. a real-world example for you:
customer with a 2004 Cavalier 2 door sedan. had a pair of Alpine Type E 10's in a factory built Alpine box. To my eyes (and measurements) the box was way too big. We built a new box that was almost half the size, which fit MUCH better and allowed access to the spare tire. Customer immediately noted how much "better" it sounded. It was cleaner, tighter, and far more accurate. I was now also able to setup the amp (a large 2 channel bridged mono) to maximize output. the bigger box just didn't allow the power because the subs flopped badly (no power handling, remember?)
the car now has just about the same amount of output, with substantially increased fidelity and about 50% less trunk space consumed.
a large portion of what people often miss is that a vehicle exhibits major influence on the sound of the setup (cabin gain). when designing an enclosure, taking this gain into account (and knowing where the gain is) allows you to tune the design to maximize SMOOTH frequency response. Ever been in a car that was crazy-loud on certain songs, but weak as F**K with others? thats /not/ smooth

is bigger really better??
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hrm, so you say if you want it more "boomy" then you do that by making the box bigger... but a lot of people really like that... unless by "boomy" you mean crappy...
I had a friend who made a box with a little over twice the desired cuft per driver, and it sounded amazing... with these crappy woofers from some flea market.
I had a friend who made a box with a little over twice the desired cuft per driver, and it sounded amazing... with these crappy woofers from some flea market.
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