Originally Posted by jhainer

well i went out last night. checked on putting the cake pan under the carb but there will be more issues with that also. (fuel lines) so for me. I would have to incorperate the fuel lines into the air box. couple an fittings and a bulkhead fitting. but it will clear the valve covers. and i think it will clear the distributor. in the pics you can see the offset works at getting it to the hole. but also the aircleaner it too tall the hood will not close. so maybe a smaller filter element will help with that the pic where most of the aircleaner is in the hole i still had enough room to put my hand under the hood with it closed about 4 inchs before it closed. this aircleaner use to work with my old intake with this intake if i put a 1 inch carb spacer on (nos plate) the carb hit the hood without a aircleaner.

Originally Posted by jhainer

my drop is 3/4. my concern is the extra 1 inch clearance over the top of the carb. i have a smaller air cleaner one inch thick no drop and only 9 inch around it fits in the hole no problem and doesn't hit the hood. but it's to small it restricts the 930 cfm the carb i have is a 850 jetted to 930 with smoothed blades and I honestly don't know what is all done to it. i sent it out to a speed shop in the area and told them to rebuild it the same way it is now settings wise because it was my father in laws race carb for this motor. theres no choke or anything on it.

Originally Posted by skinny z

My 502 has a 1 1/2" drop as does my 355 and there's no contact with the carb so maybe that'll be the same for you. Clearence for the float adjustment nuts, the fuel lines and the throttle is sufficient.
What I don't like is that with the 1 1/2" drop, it puts the lid of the air filter case within about 3/8" of the choke horn. I guess that's not a problem with no choke horn though.
As for air filters. if you run a K&N, a 14 x 3 is about as small as you'd want to go before the filter starts to restrict flow. Traditional paper elements are less forgiving and need to sized larger. An 11 x 4 offers the same filter area but the base on an 11" has zero drop so there may be other complications when the lid will be about 5" higher than the carb flange.

Originally Posted by Johnny Blaze

Add a dual return spring to that carb!

Originally Posted by jhainer

had one lost it on the last rebuild just haven't gone and got another. the car hasn't been driven since the last rebuild.

Originally Posted by jhainer

.... yet

Originally Posted by jhainer

wife just ordered the 18X3 cake pan can't find locally. also sent her the 1 1/2 drop base to order. once the base is on and i know it fits under the cowl then i can put the offset in by attaching the cake pan offset. then trim the top of the pan to fit the hood contour then i should be all set for a gasket. now thats the plan but we will see how it goes

Originally Posted by jhainer

So you know where i have been for awhile. I thought going to the 4 inch cowl would solve most of this but nope it didn't but looking at your base it looks like i might be able to get it low enough to fit under the cowl Is yours offset at all?

Originally Posted by jhainer

this year's projects for the hotrod are the cowl seal that we have been working on . forth gen seats leather, and a sub box that fits the hatch area. but it will also hold the 2 Nos bottles and a single alpine 10 that i have but have an area that is lit up with led's that will shine through .the attached photo so it will be lit up from behind i have to put plexiglass behind it to hold the letter cut outs . I have 2 one for the Iroc and one for the wall of the garage.

Originally Posted by skinny z

I missed this post.
Excellent pictures (which I've copied below). Another "cake pan" special. I've also attached a link to the McMaster Carr bulb seal that's needed to go around the cake pan rim.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/119/3456/=l5ryax

This is shaping up to be a "how to" thread rather than a request for information.

Originally Posted by jhainer

LOL it's never been down the strip yet

Originally Posted by jhainer

....in this post you can hear the motor
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...again-big.html

Originally Posted by bestracing

. It's just a personal preference but I just don't like the open cell foam and that seal has a more "Factory" clean look to it.

Originally Posted by bestracing

That McMaster part is what I was talking about when I post a link to that company that made universal trim seals. I like these better because they are of a sealed foam cell design. It's just a personal preference but I just don't like the open cell foam and that seal has a more "Factory" clean look to it.

Originally Posted by jhainer

I liked the seal you sent that looks like a rubber seal like the factory would use

Originally Posted by skinny z

That's an understatement. Your sure won't be able to sneak up on anyone.

Originally Posted by skinny z

It'll fit onto the edge of the cake pan too. Very slick.

Originally Posted by skinny z

Like I said, I prefer the sleeper look, in appearence and sound.

Originally Posted by skinny z

You can see in the pic below how it would fit onto the lip of the pan. Much like some weatherstripping.

Originally Posted by jhainer

Cool that would make it real easy since the pna is going to have different size lip all the way around. then use some wrinkle paint to paint the pan it should look pretty stock .

Originally Posted by jhainer

my main concern is still the distributor but i think i might have enough wiggle room to get around it. I see opening and closing the hood 1000 times in my near future. while test fitting

Originally Posted by jhainer

I thought the same thing . I need the offset about 3/4 so i have to rotate the offset to make it workyou know your probably right i probably need the 1 1/2 drop with offset

Originally Posted by jhainer

I needed parts to fab this up so atleast now i have what i should need I think i will have to use and 3/4 offset with the 1 1/2 drop and put the cake pan on the intake under the carb

Originally Posted by jhainer

I wonder if i could cut off the outer ring area of my offset base move that ring down the 1 1/2 inch make 3 tabs to weld it in that position and see if it would work that might be an idea also . that way i have teh offset and the 1 1/2 drop

Originally Posted by jhainer

Well everything showed up today once i got off of work I tested the 1 1/2 drop base it worked fine. cleared everything

as we expected it would...

except there was no offset.

expected that too...

so i cut the center ring out and ground off a lip on a different 9 inch base offset it and screwed it to the drop base put on my air cleaner and tested the fit. hood closed for the first time with my14X3 air cleaner.

excellent!...

so the next step was to cut out the cake pan to put the air cleaner base on the cake pan. so I cut out a a hole in the center of the cake pan and attached the cake pan to the drop base. test fitted the whole unit on the car. no clearance issues. except for trimming to fit the hood when closed. I should have about 1/2 inch in the front and about 2 inchs in the rear.

that's a little more clearence at the rear than I would have anticipated..

heres my progress so far.

Originally Posted by skinny z

Nice. I only wish I had done it first! As far a seal goes, do you think the Moroso foam installed more or less as the Monte article would work (providing you install it with the taper needed from front to rear) or are you inclined to try the bulb type rubber seal? A 2" gap is a fair bit to seal up. Maybe a deeper cake pan that can be trimmed so the whole works is within 1/2" of the hood would give the desired result. Then the rubber seal can be used.
That's an excellent bit of work. Like I said, I wish I had mine done too but the shop isn't heated and we're into our traditional January cold spell. -30 the other day and the shop is a no-man's land.

Originally Posted by jhainer

Well everything showed up today once i got off of work I tested the 1 1/2 drop base it worked fine. cleared everything except there was no offset. so i cut the center ring out and ground off a lip on a different 9 inch base offset it and screwed it to the drop base put on my air cleaner and tested the fit. hood closed for the first time with my14X3 air cleaner. so the next step was to cut out the cake pan to put the air cleaner base on the cake pan. so I cut out a a hole in the center of the cake pan and attached the cake pan to the drop base. test fitted the whole unit on the car. no clearance issues. except for trimming to fit the hood when closed. I should have about 1/2 inch in the front and about 2 inchs in the rear. heres my progress so far.

Originally Posted by jhainer

i took a few pics of it off of the car with some rubber seal on it. it is now cut down to fit under the hood fine. this is kinda a working prototype. i need to get it welded up so i can remove the nuts and bolts. or atleast find all matching new bolts with poly locks and locktite. i don't want them rattleing off and into the carb. when it is all put together you don't see any of the cuts but i know there there. so i would love to weld them up and then grind smooth for a more cleaner looking aircleaner.

Originally Posted by skinny z

That looks great!!
A couple of questions: Whose dropped base is that? It has a nice form. Certainly a better design than the unit I'm cutting up.
Which seal? Is that from the McMaster catalog? It looks right at home in an OEM sort of way.
Well done.

Originally Posted by jhainer

i had a 9 inch one also but the flang where it rests on the carb was about a 1/4 inch where as the drop base flange was about 1 inch so i had to make up the difference.