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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

This thread contains some pics and information that may help explain more.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/carb...rstanding.html

I have finally acquired the following components.
Edelbrock 9906 (Remanufactured 1406)
MSD 8362 Distributor
Edelbrock 2701 Performer EPS Intake Manifold (Gaskets also)
New Plugs and New Wires

The car currently runs hot and runs lazy due to the disaster done before I acquired the car. I am looking to install all of these parts at the same time and attempt to get this car closer to right and running. The car is not going to be VA inspected. I have done direct replacements before. I have not done this setup before. I have gotten lots of help here and from my local shops.

Simple questions and open to any comments....
Are there any tricks to the trade here?
What do I need to make sure I do not overlook?
Anything I need to know or avoid during the install?

I am pretty comfortable with fuel injection, so this is new to me.

Thanks in advance!!!!!
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 09:58 AM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

Before you take the old distributor out line up the rotor with the #1 cylinder.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 10:14 AM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

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Before you take the old distributor out line up the rotor with the #1 cylinder.
I am guessing that mark will need to be on the block or intake in some way as the whole unit is coming out. Thanks!!!

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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 10:16 AM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

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I am guessing that make will need to be on the block or intake in some way as the whole unit is coming out. Thanks!!!
??????

Either way just turn it to #1 with the timing mark at 0 then leave the crank alone that way you can drop the new distributor in facing #1 and not be 180 off.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 10:30 AM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

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??????

Either way just turn it to #1 with the timing mark at 0 then leave the crank alone that way you can drop the new distributor in facing #1 and not be 180 off.
Thanks, I do not want to get that wrong.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 10:31 AM
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You can just stab in the new dist in the same orientation as the one you take out.

Pull the entire ECM harness out through the pass side fender complete. You won't need any of it. The only issue there may be the wiring for the fuel pump relay IF your car is equipped with an in-tank pump. I know 87 LG4's were. With the 87 the fuel pump circuit was part of the ECM harness and included a two wire connector to an oil pressure switch located behind the dist. It will be readily apparent when you pull the harness if yours is so equipped.

If automatic you'll also need to arrange an alternate method of engaging the lock up on the converter.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 10:54 AM
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Geometry corrector for the TV cable...TCI 376710
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 11:13 AM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

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You can just stab in the new dist in the same orientation as the one you take out.

Pull the entire ECM harness out through the pass side fender complete. You won't need any of it. The only issue there may be the wiring for the fuel pump relay IF your car is equipped with an in-tank pump. I know 87 LG4's were. With the 87 the fuel pump circuit was part of the ECM harness and included a two wire connector to an oil pressure switch located behind the dist. It will be readily apparent when you pull the harness if yours is so equipped.

If automatic you'll also need to arrange an alternate method of engaging the lock up on the converter.
This electrical system has been sodomized to some extent already. There is an in line electric fuel pump that I must move to a safer location. Look at the left side of this picture and you will see it hanging there.

As for the harness. No part of it will be needed. Nothing from it controls any other part of the car?
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

The harness will certainly have a connector going to the transmission. This provided a signal to the ECM when the trans was in fourth AND commanded torque converter lockup when needed. Lock up can be controlled without the ECM and will require a 'kit' or you can piece together the pieces/parts needed.

If your ECM controls the in-tank pump, you'll see the two-wire connector to the OPS when you pull back the harness.

The ECM may control the action of the EVAP system purge valve. 87 used an electrically operated solenoid. If this is the case you can install an earlier, mechanical (vacuum operated) purge valve.

The fuel pump and EVAP may not be controlled by the ECM in an 86. I don't remember.

The ECM also controls EGR, which is a nice-to-have function but one that can be done without on a swap.

Pull the harness out. You'll be fine. It's certainly doing nothing for you now.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 02:16 PM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

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The harness will certainly have a connector going to the transmission. This provided a signal to the ECM when the trans was in fourth AND commanded torque converter lockup when needed. Lock up can be controlled without the ECM and will require a 'kit' or you can piece together the pieces/parts needed.

If your ECM controls the in-tank pump, you'll see the two-wire connector to the OPS when you pull back the harness.

The ECM may control the action of the EVAP system purge valve. 87 used an electrically operated solenoid. If this is the case you can install an earlier, mechanical (vacuum operated) purge valve.

The fuel pump and EVAP may not be controlled by the ECM in an 86. I don't remember.

The ECM also controls EGR, which is a nice-to-have function but one that can be done without on a swap.

Pull the harness out. You'll be fine. It's certainly doing nothing for you now.
The front right of this car normally has a canister and some hoses, all that is gone. The electrical fan is hard wired to a 12v source. The fuel pump is the electric one in the picture above just hanging there. The one in the tank was either removed or disconnected.

This car got chopped up before I got to her.
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 12:42 PM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

Picked up a couple of more parts to have on hand for this.
Edelbrock#350-8026
Transmission Throttle Cable Adapter
Edelbrock#350-1223
Pro-Flo Air Cleaner
Edelbrock#350-8135
3/8'' Fuel Line Kit

Am I correct that there is a vacuum advance and a timed vacuum on the carb? Only one will be connected, right? Can I also put the ground from the electric choke to a bolt on the carb?
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 12:50 PM
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Re: QJET to CARB and CCC to Mechanical

Originally Posted by GOTMYZ

Am I correct that there is a vacuum advance and a timed vacuum on the carb? Only one will be connected, right? Can I also put the ground from the electric choke to a bolt on the carb?
Yes there are both and only one gets connected.

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