i have a 89 iroc with ac and im currently removing it ...if i find a camaro in the junk yard with out ac and use the ac delete box and putit in my car do i have to drill hose or will it just bolt up...or can i use some sort of adheisive?

 

if you can find one there get everything if you can dash and controller and wiring and all and just do it right and take everything out and replace it no adhesive or drilling hoses needed.

 

Or you could just remove all the AC components and swap your heater box for the non-AC box. That is what I plan on doing sometime in the coming weeks. Yeah you will still have all the vents in the dash but who cares? Yeah your HVAC controls will still have the AC option on it but who cares? The stock HVAC controls will still work fine other then the AC settings but that is obvious. I guess if you can get all that stuff cheap it might be worth it, but otherwise I say leave it. I started a thread a couple weeks ago where a couple people explained this for me. I would post the link to it, but I'm on my iPod ATM and can't post links. I'll do it later today if I remember.

 

You dont need to swap everything over. Some people just do it for the looks but im not going to bother. All you need to do is throw in the A/C delete and a delete pulley and youll be all set to yank away everything else. Im in the mist of the swap right now in fact. Word of advice to getting the AC box out; unbolt the plastic cover that is on top of the A/C radiator thingy that is in the A/C box (no clue what its called), and pull that radiator out. it will make taking the box out a breeze. I fought with it for a bit before i figured that one out.

 

If your car is 87 or older and has a V8, you don't need the AC delete pulley because they had the V-belt setup. On those cars, you can just yank it all and that's that. In 88 GM started installing the serp belt as standard. Or if you have a V6 of any year I believe you need the delete pulley then too.

Thanks for the heads up. You woudnt happen to have a picture or two to show what you are trying to describe, would you?

Mike

 

god calm down I was just saying if the car is at the junkyard and all is there get it all it looks alot better. didn't mean to offend you guys. you can make your cars look anyway you want and it makes no difference to me, it's yours not mine. I have lots of parts all over the place including a complete (when I say complete it is all including a brand new gasket for the non a/c engine bay box.) I may make some of these in case you guys are missing them and need them non a/c setup I will be using on my vert. I also have a non a/c dash shell I am going to list on Ebay later along with alot of other stuff so if you guys want check it out if not whatever. anyway like I said I wasn't saying you have to do all of it but if it's there you'll like it alot better. let me know if any of you guys need a gasket I can send a pic of what I am talking about. You can use silicone too but I like the gasket better.

 

I can actually. Give me a few days and ill post up a picture or two.

Also didnt mean to sound like doing the full swapit was wrong. I agree it does look better to have the full A/C delete package (controls and all) but it is more work than i wanted to do. I was just letting him know that he could have working everything with just the pulley and the delete box. Just not as nice looking inside since it still will have the A/C controls.

 

Pictures as requested

This is how the box would look in the car


With the top cover taken off


With the radiator like thing pulled out


Another view of it taken apart


View of the backside of the box all assembled


What i would do is unbolt the entire box from the firewall first and break the seal. Then pull the box forward a bit and undo the top part of the box. Pull the radiator thing out and then you should be able to get the box out with no issues. Hope that helps.

 

I typically pull the whole system out including the controls. There was someone that had an issue with the wiring taking on too much current a while back when they just switched the box.

The dash has to be dropped and it's some grunt work, but not that bad I guess. The box itself is kind of a pain pulling from the firewall if you ask me.

 

When switching just the box its a good idea to undo the resistor or whatever the spring thing is on the ac box and use it on the AC delete box. There should be no problems with too much current in the wires.

 

You don't need the delete pulley on the v6's. Just a shorter serp belt. When you go to the part store, they should have them in stock. I got mine last year at Autozone.

 

Thanks Subroc. I thought that's what you were referring to but I wanted to make sure. All I have to do is swap the heater boxes and my swap is complete (I'll be leaving the dash and controls alone). If only it would stop raining...

Ok, I wasn't sure about the V6 cars because everytime I go to the junk yard they all have serp setups but they don't really look the same as the V8 serp setup. So it must be like the smog pump on a V8 serp setup where they can just remove it and get a shorter belt... ok. Good to know.

For those wondering how long it takes to pull all the AC stuff I can give an idea of how long it would take. I removed everything but the heater box from the engine bay and it took me just under an hour since I was moving at a leisurely pace. When I was taking that stuff out, I noticed nice big hole in my heater box. I guess I figured out why I smell exhaust fumes and why I can hear the motor so well.

I also have a question about the compressor brackets. Keeping in mind I don't have the serp setup since mine is an 87, there are some brackets that hold the alternator in place, but they also stick up into nothingness looking pretty darn out of place. The only thong I can think off is getting the bracket from a car that didnt have AC and didnt have a serp setup, or I would have to cut weld and grind on the stock bracket to make it tuck away and look factory (I dont want to do this in case i would ever put it back on for some reason). If the rain stops I'll snap a couple pictures to show what I'm talking about.

Mike

 

Here is what I'm talking about...


Does anyone think that the gap left between the radiator support and the radiator itself is worth covering with some plastic or metal shroud? It just seems too big and that it would allow a lot of air to bypass the radiator. Here is what I mean...


I'm just curious about this. Is there any reason to keep this now the that AC compressor is out of the car? Can these bolts be snugged up against the intake manifold with out using a spacer once the U shaped piece of aluminum is out?

 

Yeah that's too much of a gap. The cars came with some plastic pieces that block the air. You should be able to find them at your local yard and if not, I do have an extra set.

 

If you don't mind, could you post a picture of them so I can get a better idea of how they fit in the car? I'm asking because I have some aluminum scrap I was going to use to make the shroud/funnel things.

 

Eh i have the same amount of gap and i have no problems with overheating. In fact mine runs a ton cooler than my old camaro that still had A/C and was completely stock under the hood.

 

I'll get the camera out and take some pics for you.

 

I have an '84 T/A that is a factory heater-only car. It has the same gap in front of the radiator. GM didn't seem to be worried about it, atleast on the early cars.

For the power steering pump bracket, I have one that someone cut off the top part for the A/C compressor. You can have it for the price of shipping.