DFI and ECM Discuss all aspects of DFI (Digital Fuel Injection), ECMs (Electronic Control Module), scanners, and diagnostic equipment. Fine tune your Third Gen computer system for top performance.

Code 36

Old Mar 12, 2009 | 09:02 AM
  #1  
WASyL's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
From: Europe->Poland->Warsaw
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 LT1 intake&heads
Transmission: TH700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 10bolt GM
Code 36

i've searched forum and googeld a lot but couldn't find answer

i have Camo with 88 305 TPI engine, i have put 350 injectors and 88 350 TPI ECM, it gives 36 code and after minute or two headers start to glow real hard, that means the ignison is beeing retarded a lot but i can't find any reason why this heppens. Any sugestions?? My mechanc is checking burn-off relay and wiring but in other car when we got 36 code also but there was no problem with glowing headers

Best regards
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 10:37 AM
  #2  
stock's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: 50 miles from philly
Car: 91 gta and chevy powered toyota
Engine: 5.7 in both of them
Transmission: 700r4 raptor
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: Code 36

did you upgrade the fuel pump?
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 01:52 PM
  #3  
WASyL's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
From: Europe->Poland->Warsaw
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 LT1 intake&heads
Transmission: TH700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 10bolt GM
Re: Code 36

no, it's stock but i don't think that makes ignition so retarded
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:41 PM
  #4  
Toehead's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,123
Likes: 0
From: North Central Mass.
Car: 1985 Berlinetta
Engine: Megasquirted TPI
Transmission: Transgo 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: Code 36

No need to upgrade the fuel pump, the problem is the ECM. The tune is wrong for a 305, and the injectors are too big. You need a chip with the proper tune for the 305 on it (get a chip burner) and the injector constant updated to work with the 350 injectors.
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:53 PM
  #5  
WASyL's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
From: Europe->Poland->Warsaw
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 LT1 intake&heads
Transmission: TH700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 10bolt GM
Re: Code 36

yes true it needs tune but even with this setup it should act normal and just take little to much of fuel, but this evening (we are 6 hours ahead form NY) we had strange situation, we have fixed some wiring on engine harness, car started like brand new, we rolled out on street, it was pulling like hell, no prolem with timing and glowing headers for like 5-10 min strong and light driving, and then in a sec code 36 came back, glowing problem and wrong timing too.
earlier it was having problem from start up
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:57 PM
  #6  
Toehead's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,123
Likes: 0
From: North Central Mass.
Car: 1985 Berlinetta
Engine: Megasquirted TPI
Transmission: Transgo 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: Code 36

Do you know what the wiring was?
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:58 PM
  #7  
Toehead's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,123
Likes: 0
From: North Central Mass.
Car: 1985 Berlinetta
Engine: Megasquirted TPI
Transmission: Transgo 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: Code 36

Have you tried removing the MAF and letting it run in limp home mode?
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 03:13 PM
  #8  
WASyL's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
From: Europe->Poland->Warsaw
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 LT1 intake&heads
Transmission: TH700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 10bolt GM
Re: Code 36

it was wire (white) from ecm to distributor (not shure if i use proper word), before fix there was week signal on that wire, nowit is strong, as for MAF even if it's unplugred still same glowing problem
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 03:25 PM
  #9  
Toehead's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,123
Likes: 0
From: North Central Mass.
Car: 1985 Berlinetta
Engine: Megasquirted TPI
Transmission: Transgo 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: Code 36

That is the timing control wire from the ECM for the ICM. Weak connections there would keep the computer from controlling the timing at all.



I would check continuity of all distributor wires, all grounds, maybe test the pickup coil. The brown wire is the override wire and should have 5 volts with the car running.
The purple wire is the ignition signal to the ecm. This should be a five volt square wave output to the ecm. Verify the continuity of this wire.

Those are some things to start with.

Does the car stumble at all while running? Any tach irregularities?
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 03:35 PM
  #10  
WASyL's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
From: Europe->Poland->Warsaw
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 LT1 intake&heads
Transmission: TH700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 10bolt GM
Re: Code 36

ok i'll check those wires

yes it does stumble, RPM are irregular like it would get strange load
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 04:34 PM
  #11  
Toehead's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,123
Likes: 0
From: North Central Mass.
Car: 1985 Berlinetta
Engine: Megasquirted TPI
Transmission: Transgo 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: Code 36

In that case I would check the ICM and pickup coil and purple wiring first. Code 36 can indicate the ECM getting irregular tach pulses. I suppose that throwing code 36 disables the spark advance.
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 04:40 PM
  #12  
WASyL's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
From: Europe->Poland->Warsaw
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 LT1 intake&heads
Transmission: TH700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 10bolt GM
Re: Code 36

thanks, ill check and if find what was it ill post answer or ask another questions
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
89-IROCZ-5.0TPI
TPI
10
Feb 22, 2022 09:26 PM
Falcon50
DFI and ECM
81
Aug 22, 2020 03:26 PM
racereese
Tech / General Engine
14
Oct 3, 2015 03:46 PM
Luigytico09
TPI
0
Oct 1, 2015 08:46 AM
dusterbd
TPI
0
Sep 29, 2015 08:40 AM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:09 AM.