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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 05:01 PM
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85 tpi harness to 91

hey guys. I was looking on here about my question. I was wondering if I have the 91 sd harness if I still need to play with the bulk head connectors? also not to sound dumb but what and where is said connector?

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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 05:50 PM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

I am currently swapping a 90 speed density harness into my 85 car. There are a few changes that have to be made to c100 connector pin outs. The c100 connector is the large electrical connector that bolts to the firewall down by the brake booster.
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 05:52 PM
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ok. so what are the changes that have to be made
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 06:12 PM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

A '91 into a '91...no changes, it's plug and play.
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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well. I saved an 85 irocz from the junk yard. so I was going to convert it to sd instead of maf
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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 07:19 PM
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I just need to know what pins to move in the bulkhead. I already have the 91 harness.
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:38 AM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

I don't have pictures handy at the moment. Just search for a picture of the 85 c100 connector and the 91 c100 connector. Then just compare them to each other to see where the differences are at.
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:48 AM
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So I just swap pins on the c100 to match the 85s?
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Yes if the car is an 85, it would be easier to change the pins on the 91 harness to match those for the 85.
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

There are a lot of pins in that '91 harness that would have nothing to connect to on the other side of the '85 bulkhead connector.
They changed the way the system gets power to the devices.
You would have to add a lot of connections to the inside of the bulkhead on the '85 car to feed the components under the hood and devices under the hood that feed things inside the car.
That would be a huge task.
Hope your up to it.
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:44 PM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Making me nervous about it now... by the way system gets power like which components would that pertain to?
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:53 PM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Pssssssst, look for a 85 maf harness. It will save you time, money and a buch of frustration.
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 07:10 PM
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yea ive been told the 85 computer isn't the best the though
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Originally Posted by 91 rally sport
yea ive been told the 85 computer isn't the best the though
Its not the best of the 3 but it would be easier to use a maf harness.
What are your plans for the car?
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 05:31 AM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

It just going to be something for me to havr fun with
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

You can still use the 86-89 maf harness and ecm. Not the greatest, but an improvement from the 85 ecm.
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 07:21 AM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Talk to Tuned Performance, he'll get you headed in the right direction.
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 07:27 AM
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Would an ebl computer work in an 85?
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Originally Posted by 85Iroc-Z
You can still use the 86-89 maf harness and ecm. Not the greatest, but an improvement from the 85 ecm.
This would be the way to go.
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I agree ^^
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Originally Posted by 91 rally sport
Would an ebl computer work in an 85?
Yes, an EBL Flash ECM with the Port Mod will run your '85 TPI set up. Although it requires a MAP sensor be added and some re-pinning of the ECM harness connectors. Email me for more information on this swap.

It sounds like you want to update from the '85 ECM to a '90 - '92 ECM? Mike did this in two steps, first to the '86 - '89 '7165 ECM, then from it to the '90 - '92 ECM. His web site:

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~davis/z28/ecm_swap/
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~davis/z28/ecm_swap_730/

He used the original harness doing this. Which is the easiest way to go.

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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 08:49 AM
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

The one ebl computer does both of those?
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

Originally Posted by 91 rally sport
The one ebl computer does both of those?
For an '85 through '89 TPI car, the EBL Flash with the Port Mod is the easiest to swap in. There are fewer pin changes for the '86 - '89 ECMs then the '85 ECM. But it works with both.

For the '90 - '92 TPI set ups the EBL P4 Flash ECM is plug & play. The EBL P4 can be used for the '85 - '89 TPI cars, but it is a lot of re-pinning to get there.

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Old Apr 17, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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Which one would u recommend?
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Re: 85 tpi harness to 91

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Which one would u recommend?
For an '85 through '89 TPI set up we recommend the EBL Flash system with the Port Mod.

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