Depends on what mask you are referring to (and also/therefore what ECU you're using).

If you're talking about the 6Ev010.ecu file that is included, the "fuel tables" are the MAF tables (1-6).

Tuning these is not as intuitive as you might think. The stickies at the top of this board have more information.

Be sure, though, that you're using the correct ECU for your application.

M

 

Yes that's the right file for my 1989 L98 Iroc.
When I open a MAF table it just gives me a small list of Volts and grams/sec. I expected to see a complete base fuel map. If this is normal, then I'd better do even more reading.

 

Yup. Normal. Yup, more reading. :-D

Summed up - by changing the way the computer "sees" the amount of air its getting for a given MAF voltage, you force the ECM to change the amount of fuel it commands.

 

GREAT job Mark.

There are not many guys around that can write USEFUL software,
burn a PROM, change an engine and make their own website.
That's quite a broad range of talent you have there.

You're definitely SMARTER than the average type guy.
And it shows!!!

 

Any chance the next version will have window size and location memory stored in the registry or *.inf type?
It would be cool to also have all of the stored calibrations accessable through the function keys, and then the file save would just save them as a single compiled file ready for burn.
I think those alone would make it easier on tuners that are still using a programmer with the multiple stored calibration adaptors from moates. For me, the fastest way to change, save and program is to open the first file as the base or "a0.bin" then I save it, next I change something, save it as "a1.bin", etc. I keep doing this until I'm done and then open up explorer, copy in my batch file which combines all the a_.bin files into an "all8.bin". This takes a bit of time, not much, but it would be a lot easier if all of the files could be accessed for "compare" (but really opened for editing) and then switched between with the function keys. F1 opens my first calibration, I can open up the main SA table, press F2 and that second file is shown, I can change, do whatever and then save saves all 8.
Either way, your software rocks, it runs MUCH better on my slow p75 laptop than TC so just for that I've switched. I also am loving the 3d, very easy.
Oh, one last issue, table cell widths. Any chance you could make those adjustable or smaller? I have difficulty with a 800x600 resolution. The tables just off screen, this is a problem with almost all software so it's not like somebody has one up on you but it would be nice to not have to scroll so much.

 

i have the same issue, i run mine on a p133 with a whopping 8mb of ram, and 800x600 is the max i can run.

 

Let me guess... Win98?

Actually, its *very* ironic that you mention the window placement "memory". This has been implemented from the beginning. However, just last night I pulled out my P100 win98 machine to make sure things were copesetic and guess what I discovered? - the main window does not restore to its previous position upon startup. So this is an issue only in 98 (works great in XP, etc).

Needless to say, this will be fixed in the next version. Sorry you had to put up with that for so long. I had no idea it was broken (and nobody using win98 would have any clue that it was supposed to be working).

The multiple bins open for editing is actually a really good idea! it poses some interesting things to work around with my current program structure, but its very possible. Maybe I'll give an option to "open for compare only" (for safety) and "open for editing".

I'll look into this. Again, thanks for the suggestion. I've got some things ahead of that in the queue, though, just to be honest.

And *thats* why TunerPro continues to improve... because you guys actually use it and offer your bugs and suggestions!

I should have 3.01 out in the next day or two. Also, I'm going to go ahead and release RT to everyone.

Oh, and I optimized the 3D graphing math/drawing functions. Those of you running really slow computers should notice a slight difference (faster computers won't see any benefit, really). P75 with 8 megs is pushing it. Definately the bottom end of what I support (actually, P100 16 megs is the bottom).

Laptops are cheap nowadays. You can get a PII400 or better for $150 if you look around. Seems like a sound investment for anyone who does regular tuning, doesn't it?

And about the table widths. Yes, this has been brought up once or twice. I'll throw in scroll bars for ya'. Hows that sound? I'll work out logistics of how this will work and throw it in in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile, remember that the main workspace has scroll bars (I realize that this makes it hard to know what row/column you're in, though).

Its amazing the things you learn when you actually *try* things on a P100, 800x600 win98 machine. I kinda feel bad for you guys now and will try my best to accomodate. =)

Mark

 

actualy even with my 8mb of ram, the program runs great, the only thing that bothered me was the scrolling. but all this laptop has on it, is tuner-pro, the PPII software, winaldl, moates, and a metric > english converter. so it isn't having to run anything at all.

 

Good to see the testing's going well!

 

RT for use for free, you're the best!
My system for right now is a p75 thinkpad 16mb ram 500mb HD and 800x600 TFT. Works great with your software, even the 3D moving is fast, MUCH faster than TC's program. His 3D tables actually take over 15 minutes to turn a graph 180 degrees, oh well, it's older code but you would have thought it would have been ment for the slower machines .
I'm getting a new laptop so it isn't a HUGE deal but still nice.
I'm about to the point of no more patience, the prominator is great but the romulator is now. I might just get it now that your software is coming out AND you're always about updates.

 

The 3D graphs in TunerCat are amazing. They're a commercial product called (at the time) "Olectrachart" (under a new name now). Absolutely amazing. However, very system intensive. =(

TunerPro seems to be doing fine on my Thinkpad 760ELD (P100, 48 mb RAM, 800x600). I'll be testing regularly with it.

Oh, and don't forget that if you need more workspace, you can use F6 and F7 to quickly hide the lists. This helps when viewing tables that take up more than the visible workspace.

 

Cool, didn't know that. Will try later.

 

(...drumming fingers...)

3D surface plot with interpolated shading. Hmmm.
If you could just.... Mmmm... Yeah..... That would be great.....

Hey Mark... What's happenin'.?....

 

what's holding you back, broza? say it! then come implement it. oh yeah, and don't forget to comment your code! :-D

just kiddin'

 

If I only had a DOS screen capture up & running... No, I haven't touched it since you last saw it.

You want comments? You want them? Lemme see what I can do:

fillplot:

' Select mesh density, higher=denser
xblock = 10
yblock = 10

' Setup loops for fill
FOR i = 1 TO cols - 1
FOR j = 1 TO rows - 1
FOR k = 0 TO xblock
FOR l = 0 TO yblock

' Setup interpolated values based on fractional position between points
val1 = x(i, j) + (k / xblock) * (x(i + 1, j) - x(i, j))
val2 = x(i, j + 1) + (k / xblock) * (x(i + 1, j + 1) - x(i, j + 1))
xval = val1 + (l / yblock) * (val2 - val1)

' Determine x coordinate on screen also based on fractional position (k & l vs xblock & yblock)
val1 = xloc(i, j) + (k / xblock) * (xloc(i + 1, j) - xloc(i, j))
val2 = xloc(i, j + 1) + (k / xblock) * (xloc(i + 1, j + 1) - xloc(i, j + 1))
locx = val1 + (l / yblock) * (val2 - val1)

' Perform same with ycoord.
val1 = yloc(i, j) + (k / xblock) * (yloc(i + 1, j) - yloc(i, j))
val2 = yloc(i, j + 1) + (k / xblock) * (yloc(i + 1, j + 1) - yloc(i, j + 1))
locy = val1 + (l / yblock) * (val2 - val1)

' Pick color for fill based on interpolated height or value, integer of course.
COLOR colr(INT(1 + 7 * (xval - vmin) / (vmax + 1 - vmin)))'

' Place point
PSET (locx, locy)

NEXT l
NEXT k
NEXT j
NEXT i

pick = 0

RETURN

Of course, in Windows, it could be MUCH more tricky!

 

(*Mark holds his index finger to his nose and points at Craig*)

Really, though, doing it the way you do it is not hard, and in fact I have the framework for it done already in my graphs (I do all of my 3D math completely different than you - I pass the 3D vectors through about half a dozen vector transforms to get a resulting 2D vector - at the end of the scene calculation I do a matrix multiply of all the transforms so that I can pass subsequent points through a single vector, speeding things up).

This method (that you illustrate above) still doesn't touch the OlectraChart stuff though. They shade entire regions (they don't simply add points). They actually split resultant polygons so that they can get "straight line" interpolations. They backface cull. They render their own fonts each frame with escapement and orientation. They implement a Z-order system and keep track of how the graph is oriented so they can determing how best to show the axis labels and references. And much, much more. Looks like they draw in regions for quicker update of areas needing redraw when you drag a single point. They render to an offscreen DC for smootheness (wait, I do that too).

Pretty cool product. Only costs $500 or $600. :-D

 

Hi Guys -

I just uploaded TunerPro Free and RT version 3.01.

Have at it!

http://tunerpro.markmansur.com/

Let me know how things work out with RT if you use it with your Romulator and/or ALDL Cable. I'll be working things out for a couple of revisions, so bear with me.

Included with RT so far are "beta" '165 and '730 aldl datastream definitions. These are placeholders and the contents of the files and the file format are *not* final, so it isn't recommended that you do any editing yourself yet. Plus, I will be including a built-in editor in a future version.

Anyway, have fun.

M

 

Mark,

any chance that a 8746 aldl def. file will get made? i'll download it when i get home, but without that def i can't test the aldl connection.

 

A near-future version will have a definition editor. You will be able to create it yourself.

 

Mangus,

I just downloaded TunerPro and it looks fantastic!!! I have yet to try it out just had a quick look over some tables and it looks unreal.

Your the man!

 

Thanks! Make sure you've downloaded version 3.02.

 

Yes I downloaded the 3.02 version man I just had a look over it and it looks bloody unreal. I was using WinBin before which was okay as it was free but your software is 10000 better and free too what more could anyone else want.

Just a question out of curiosity how long did it take you to put together such a program?? How many hours do you estimate you have spent on it.

awesome work! BTW what program did you use to put it together with?

 

Those are very bad questions to ask...

 

information on how it is developed is on the bottom of the index page on the web site.

 

Bad questions because of all the hours. I am not trying to find out any secrets or anything. I am just overwhelmed that people like yourself Magnus and Craig do all this work and never want anything out of it. There should be more people out there like you the world would be a better place

Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

nah, the question isn't offensive. i think craig was making a joke of sorts.

Honestly, there are 2 main reasons behind my work on TunerPro:

1) its a learning experience for me with each feature I add, and that, to me, is fun.
2) 90% of the features in TunerPro are there because I, myself, needed them (or thought they'd be helpful to me in the future). I wrote/write the software for myself. I just figure others can find it useful too.

Someone asked me a similar question via email the other day and I gave them a similar answer. I also explained why I "request" registration for the RT version (although its still free - it doesn't expire and no features are locked out). My answer is two-fold.

1) Encouragement. All the nice compliments and comments are my main encouragement, but there's nothing quite like the feeling of someone donating because they find what you give them to be useful.

2) The RT version supports commercial hardware. That is, a company makes *profit* when they sell their hardware. If my software supports that hardware and therefore in a roundabout way makes money for that company, thats beyond my scope and intent. Basically, I'm not here to make other people money (one of the DIY mottos, right?). (no - Craig's hardware is *not* commercial. Craig is *not* who I speak of here. He doesn't actually profit from his sales. His intentions and reasons for what he does are very similar to mine). This also goes for shops that use my software for their business. This is great and highly encouraged. But this is also why I "request" registration.

My own Profit/Income is *NOT* a reason why I ask for registration. Honestly, in this facet of the DIY market, thats nearly impossible at this point without going commercial. I've got far more hours into this than even 1000 registrations could make up for in terms of my time. Really! My day job keeps me satisfied in that realm. I simply hope to recoup some of my own expenses in this effort. Fore example, I've bought about a half-dozen books over the last 9 months of the life of this software, and between $50 and $80 a pop, that gets expensive.

And theres the wife. Between the previous paragraph and this one, she walked into the room and said, sarcastically, "working on car-stuff again? Fantastic. See you in a few hours". Walking that thin red line that separates 'not enough time with the wife' and 'just enough time with the wife to keep her from complaining about my time away from her' is a tough line to walk.

Didn't mean for this to become a rant. I just hope I can give some insight as to why I do this.

To sum it up - because its an f'n blast.

 

I put my hat down to you blokes.

 

Can you add code that lets me select the hole 3d table and paste it into something like excel? It would be nice to be able to paste and copy multiple cells .

 

I get this request pretty regularly. To make the grid control multi-select would be a *lot* of work. I'll look into it. As far as copying the tables, I think its as simple as copying the cells to the clipboard with \t (tab) and \n (newline) delimiting. If thats the case, then yes, I can do that. =)

Its now on the list.

 

I wanted to add another thanks for what you have done in creating your program. I find it very useful in learning what I will be doing in tuning. At this time I'm not actually using it on a vehicle, but I WILL be making a donation when I start tuning (come on Graig, get the autoprom finished!!!! LOL)

I do have one question about the multiply, divide, bit option in the ECU editor. Is there any way to change the order of the items?

ex......(y = (m/x) + b) change to (y=(x/m)+b)

I forget what I was messing with (I think it was RPM for something), but I couldn't get something to come out right, and it would have if I could've switched the values. I've been working with the ANHT, 8D code.

Thanks!

 

To do what you're saying, multiply by a factor between 0 and 1.

X * 0.5 is the same as X / 2

:-D

 

I see what you're saying, but I couldn't get it to come out right for some reason. I have no idea! Maybe when I get back in there and messing with it, and figure out EXACTLY what it was that I couldn't get to come out right, I'll give a yell again, and you can set me straight!

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

 

I'm slowely turning your software into TunerTiger with all these suggestions .

 

Tiger? TunerPro already has a nickname though.

 

TunerTiger. Hehe. I get it!

 

Was wondering if anybody knew where to go or if you can get a downloadable file to explain what all the parameters mean in the tunerpro program. Some I can figure out but others i'm like, duh. Thanks.

 

Did you try F12 (or the help menu)? I'm certainly terrible at documentation, but I try to explain things there.

 

I have a minor bug with Tunerpro. Not a big deal, but if I have outlook open at the same time as tunerpro then exit out of outlook, tunerpro crashes out.

 

Not sure this would be a TunerPro issue. TunerPro uses zero system DLLs that Outlook or OE use and shares absolutely zero resources with Outlook or OE.

How regularly can you reproduce this? Anyone else seen this? What OS?

 

I'll definitely second this one! My wife calls my Jeep "the first woman"...she says that when I get involved in a new project on the Jeep...like the current TBI install project...I spend more time with it than I do with her. She may well be right.

I agree here too. It is a blast doing what many people might regard as not possible...and driving the proof that you did it into their driveways.
Anyway...many kudos on the TunerPro software. I have only just begun using it and I know I have a LOT left to learn about all of it. I am installing a GM TBI system on my 1980 Jeep CJ7 that sports a 1979-model AMC 360. I just got a few little kinks worked out of it today...like all the sensors installed in the right places and wired up and the ignition module wired to the mag pickup in my Ford DuraCrap distributor (OEM equipment on a 1979 Jeep 360) Next, I get to try to figure out how to burn the PROM image (modification of ANLU to disable EGR and make sure VATS was also disabled VATS) that I created with Tuner Pro last week.
Thanks again...VERY COOL stuff