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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 08:02 PM
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165 MAF Tuning... Plus Tranny Wiring Question.

Okay so I recently read somewhere that there's not much to tuning maf setups, as long as they have a somewhat mild cam...

Is there any truth to this? I believe the article I was reading basically said, set the injector constant to the correct size, set the engine size to the correct size and burn the chip. The ECM should be able to take care of everything from there.

It sounds too easy for me, I am guessing you would also have to do some tuning to the timing tables and maf tables... right?

So assuming I ran a 6E bin, if I just set the injector constant right, set the engine size up right, and try it, should I be alright?

My engine is going to be as follows:

350 roller block, .040 over
SRP Forged Flat Tops, 10.3:1 compression
Forged SIR I Beam rods
Eagle ESP 3.75" Crank (yes it's a stroker)
AFR 195cc Street Heads
zz4 Cam (208/221 .504/.544 (1.6 rockers)
TPIS Big Mouth Base
Edelbrock Runners
LS1 Injectors
Holly AFPR
Edelbrock TES headers (port matched and cleaned up air tubes and welds inside) with a 3" Catco Cat, 3" cat back.

It's an automatic, I will be running a 2400 stall converter, but the ECM originally was setup for a Stick, and is not wired to the Tranny, The tranny currently has a rigged up 3 position switch, it either locks in 4th, in all gears, or not at all... I plan on running the wires from the tranny to the ECM before I get it up and running so I will be able to have the ECM control the lockup... will I have problems if I just run the necessary wires like they would have been from the factory?

Which 6E bin would be a good starting point for this setup? Is there anything that anyone can see that will need to be changed off the bat?

Sorry I'm asking so much, I'm just confused and need help from you guys, i know you guys know a lot more than I do about this stuff. Thanks guys!
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 08:12 PM
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What you say above is mostly correct (to the best of my knowledge) IF the stock MAF is used and the O2s are good.

I would start with the ARAP $6E file and tune from there.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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I have heard that the Timing Tables in the ARAP bin are a bit hot? Do you think they would be alright for 10.3:1 Compression on Aluminum heads with 91 octane fuel? That is the highest grade we have here...
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 08:50 PM
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I had to back off of the timing table a bit, maybe 4 degrees, not sure. Also, I only use 93 octane fuel.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 09:02 PM
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Transstar sells a valve, that goes in the valve body, to lock up the torque converter at 45 mph. It works off governer pressure so no signal from the ecm is nescessary. Very popular with the street rod crowd. If this is a simpler solution for you I will dig up the part number.
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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Transstar sells a valve, that goes in the valve body, to lock up the torque converter at 45 mph. It works off governer pressure so no signal from the ecm is nescessary. Very popular with the street rod crowd. If this is a simpler solution for you I will dig up the part number.
Hmmm... but would it un-lock under say 2/3 degree throttle without the tranny actually downshifting, or does it just lockup at 45 mph no matter what the other conditions are?
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 09:16 PM
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I have never used this part 1st hand so I am not 100% sure. I am in a trans training program and the instructor told me about it and gave me the part number. He says it will lock up the converter at a road speed of 45-48 mph. He implied that the valve will lock it up at that speed regardless of throttle. My buddy has a vette with a carb and keeps frying the trans due to the converter not locking up. This is how I found out about it. Also early blazers had trouble with locking up the converter too early causing shudder. This valve fixes it as well.
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Old Nov 24, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by TheMysticWizard
I sent you a PM (errr... 2 actually LOL)

I have heard that the Timing Tables in the ARAP bin are a bit hot? Do you think they would be alright for 10.3:1 Compression on Aluminum heads with 91 octane fuel? That is the highest grade we have here...
I'm running ARAP with un-modded timing tables with an aluminum headed 350, with 9.6:1 cr...only ever get 2-3 knock counts and thats at start up.
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