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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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Car: 1992 RS (25 th Anniversary)
Engine: 350 Miniram XFI
Transmission: Pro-Built 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.73
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Hi,
I hope that someone can give me some advice. I'm not burning my owm chips yet, but hope too soon. I had PCM for Less burn me a chip, ran the TPI swap just fine, now I have a Miniram on it. Here is my problem, When I start the car cold/open loop it idles at 1000 rpm in park and in drive at 600 rpm, which is good that's where I like it, but when the car is warmed up/closed loop the idle drops to 750 rpm in park and and is around 450/500 rpm and almost stalling in drive. I have no scanning software or burning software so I can't do any logging....yet. I have no codes though. Runs a little rich too. Just need some advice.

Setup is now:
1968 327 ( bored .030 over, 331 cid)
TPIS Miniram II
TPIS AFPR ( pressure set at 41 lbs, last time i checked )
22 lb. Injectors
52mm BBK ThrottleBody
Elgin Hydraulic Flat Tappet Cam
224/234@.050
465/488 lift
112 lsa
AFR 195 Heads
68 cc Combustion Chamber
Hedman LT Headers 1 5/8" x 3"
3" X-Pipe Dual exhaust with C5 Mufflers
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 10:10 PM
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Have you readjusted the throttle plate and IAC since you did the mods?
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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Car: GTA -89
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You really need to scan the car and look what des.idle speed is and what you IAC is doing.

You could try open the Throtte plates a little to keep it running.

/N.
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 06:39 AM
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Yeah that's what I've been doing but when you adjust the Throttle plates in Closed loop to get the idle back up it messes up open loop idle. If I adjust the idle in closed loop to 1000 rpm in park then it bumps up the idle in open loop to 1500+ rpm, I don't like that. I need to do some programming !!!
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 12:59 PM
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get a ALDL cable and hook up a computer so that you can se whats going on and YES you probably need to do some programming...

/N.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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I to suggest getting involved with programing, but on the short term call back the chip company you dealt with and tell them what is happening. They should burn you a couple more chips for free since the one they sent doesn't work. I can't stand when these companies charge an arm an a leg and the chip doesn't work. They should be heald accountable for the product they send out. About 90% of DYI guys have had these problems and thats why they got into this game. I bought my first custom chip in 1997 for $500.00. The changes were minimal and probably took a whole 5 minutes to create. The chip didn't even have fueling or timing changes.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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Car: 1992 RS (25 th Anniversary)
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Well I guess you could say that the problems I'm having are mostly my fault. I've changed my setup alot since I got that chip done. I had a TPI setup, with 19 lb. injectors, 48mm throttlebody, stock heads, stock fuel pressure regulator, everything was essentially stock except for the engine 327 cid and the cam was different. Now I have this new setup, so I'm running the new setup with the old chip, cause I don't have the ability to burn my own stuff at the moment and I'm low on money. I'm just trying to get buy with what I have for now. It runs the car, but low rpm drivability sucks. I was just wanting some advice on what the problem might be so that when I go to burn my new chips I have an idea of what to look for. The chip I have worked great for my TPI setup, but I don't have a TPI setup anymore. So I need to do some programming.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 03:58 PM
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https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=288763

Here you go.

Lots of the more common issues in one massive sticky.

Do some searching here also. There is massive differences in tuning required from a short runner intake like you have now vs. the TPI that was there prior.

Quite a few good posts on the subject and covered in quite good detail.

later
Jeremy

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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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Sweet I'll be looking into those articles !!
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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Axle/Gears: 3.73
Well, I don't know but for right now I got the idle to settle down. I don't know if disconnecting the PCV system would play with the idle, but I had removed to PCV and Crankcase Evac system and replaced them with breather filters, the idle was okay for awhile and deteriorated over time. I read around and seems that things were pointing to a vaccuum leak, but I couldn't figure where it was coming from, then I was seeing vapours coming from the filters. So I replaced the PCV and Crackcase systems, I reset the IAC and ran the car for 30 mins in differing RPM levels and in park. Everything seems to be fine again. But I will still want to start burning my own stuff.
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