Help Please
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From: Rhode Island
Car: '87 S10 Blazer & '91 RS
Engine: L98 & L03
Transmission: 700R4 & T5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt/3.73/3.42
Help Please
i need help; im totally lost. my setup:
87 S10, with 350 running on 88 '165. its from a 305 but i can't remember what bin. i know that this isn't the best setup, but its all i had at the time.
heres my problem. i can't get into diagnostic mode. i've checked all my connections about 8 times, using a test light and DVM. everything seems good. wiring for the SES light is good. i jump the ALDL, and there is only a steady SES. this is driving me nuts because i keep getting the SES light on the highway, and i can't figure out whats wrong. which leads to my next issue...this damned light! it comes on at about 65mph, and goes out under 50mph. i cut and removed wiring for AIR, and canister purge, could this be my problem?
i plan to buy a moates adapter and all the other stuff so that i can get the correct 350 bin, and hopefully run better. thanks for any help that you guys might be able to provide, Jim.
87 S10, with 350 running on 88 '165. its from a 305 but i can't remember what bin. i know that this isn't the best setup, but its all i had at the time.
heres my problem. i can't get into diagnostic mode. i've checked all my connections about 8 times, using a test light and DVM. everything seems good. wiring for the SES light is good. i jump the ALDL, and there is only a steady SES. this is driving me nuts because i keep getting the SES light on the highway, and i can't figure out whats wrong. which leads to my next issue...this damned light! it comes on at about 65mph, and goes out under 50mph. i cut and removed wiring for AIR, and canister purge, could this be my problem?
i plan to buy a moates adapter and all the other stuff so that i can get the correct 350 bin, and hopefully run better. thanks for any help that you guys might be able to provide, Jim.
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Car: 1987 Corvette
Engine: 383 ci
Transmission: ZF 6 Speed
Axle/Gears: 4.10 Dana 44
Re: Help Please
I recommend getting a good & correct 350 bin in there before you start chasing the SES light / diagnostic issue.
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From: OC CA
Car: 75 Beast
Engine: 383 +EBL Flash
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 4.11 with 33"
Re: Help Please
S105.7
Regarding EPROM (bin file)
You can get a good idea what your BC code you are running by taking EPROM out of ECM and reading contents with EPROM reader-writer. Once you have an image file a binary compare can be done with TP (or other program) against know good '165 bin files. You can find a list of image files for '165 on DIY EFI:
http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/ecm_info/1227165/
With respect to ALDL - can you data log with WinALDL or similar program? You may have bad ECM interface - which looks OK externally (i.e. connector to connector is OK, but ECM never sees I/O line being pulled low for diagnostic).
I hope this helps
//RF
Regarding EPROM (bin file)
You can get a good idea what your BC code you are running by taking EPROM out of ECM and reading contents with EPROM reader-writer. Once you have an image file a binary compare can be done with TP (or other program) against know good '165 bin files. You can find a list of image files for '165 on DIY EFI:
http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/ecm_info/1227165/
With respect to ALDL - can you data log with WinALDL or similar program? You may have bad ECM interface - which looks OK externally (i.e. connector to connector is OK, but ECM never sees I/O line being pulled low for diagnostic).
I hope this helps
//RF
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From: Rhode Island
Car: '87 S10 Blazer & '91 RS
Engine: L98 & L03
Transmission: 700R4 & T5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt/3.73/3.42
Re: Help Please
thanks for the replys.
i downloaded tunerpro tonight, and started playing with APYP. it seems like everyone goes right to ARAP, but with 10.5:1 and iron heads thats not going to happen. is this a bin you would recommend me starting with?
i played around with it a little tonight, mostly changing flags and constants. tunerpro makes it seem like childs play. for the moment, i have no hardware, or laptop. im working on getting that stuff real soon. im just getting started, and this was a big step for me to start messing around.
thanks for bearing with me, Jim.
i downloaded tunerpro tonight, and started playing with APYP. it seems like everyone goes right to ARAP, but with 10.5:1 and iron heads thats not going to happen. is this a bin you would recommend me starting with?
i played around with it a little tonight, mostly changing flags and constants. tunerpro makes it seem like childs play. for the moment, i have no hardware, or laptop. im working on getting that stuff real soon. im just getting started, and this was a big step for me to start messing around.
thanks for bearing with me, Jim.
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Car: '87 S10 Blazer & '91 RS
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From: Corona
Car: 92 Form, 91 Z28, 89 GTA, 86 Z28
Engine: BP383 vortech, BP383, 5.7 TPI, LG4
Transmission: 4L60e, 700R4, 700R4..
Axle/Gears: 3.27, 2.73
Re: Help Please
AUJM is the newest firebird 350 700R4 with 3.27 rear. It's $6E, so disconnect the cold start injector if you program that. Use this - assuming you're using an F-body wire harness, and 86-89 MAF sensor. Also, you'd have to change the injector constants to whatever injectors you're using. If you have 350 injectors already, then no need. If you get a programmer, then you really don't need to find the right chip at all - just make your own.
The speed based diagnostics could be EGR, but it's hard to say. It's a good idea to find a spare ECU, anyway, and it would help you diagnose your problem. Converting to a '730 ECU also isn't too hard, so they say, and would give you a more reliable ECU (IMO).
You could take your car to most car parts stores to get a free code scan as well, if you want to test your setup for communication.
The speed based diagnostics could be EGR, but it's hard to say. It's a good idea to find a spare ECU, anyway, and it would help you diagnose your problem. Converting to a '730 ECU also isn't too hard, so they say, and would give you a more reliable ECU (IMO).
You could take your car to most car parts stores to get a free code scan as well, if you want to test your setup for communication.
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From: Rhode Island
Car: '87 S10 Blazer & '91 RS
Engine: L98 & L03
Transmission: 700R4 & T5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt/3.73/3.42
Re: Help Please
redngold, thanks for the reply.
yes, i am using an F-Body harness. its from an 88 Z28. will it be possible to change from the magnetic VSS to optical with the firebird bin?
as for the '730, i plan on doing that in the future. i already have the ecm, and im finishing up a harness. i plan on running $59, as i hope to have a MP T-70 under the hood before too long.
yes, i am using an F-Body harness. its from an 88 Z28. will it be possible to change from the magnetic VSS to optical with the firebird bin?
as for the '730, i plan on doing that in the future. i already have the ecm, and im finishing up a harness. i plan on running $59, as i hope to have a MP T-70 under the hood before too long.
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From: Corona
Car: 92 Form, 91 Z28, 89 GTA, 86 Z28
Engine: BP383 vortech, BP383, 5.7 TPI, LG4
Transmission: 4L60e, 700R4, 700R4..
Axle/Gears: 3.27, 2.73
Re: Help Please
I don't know much about the VSS input, sorry. You can try it and post your results! Or do some searching, I guess. I'm in the middle of a road test, and don't have time anytime soon.




