Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
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Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
The procedure seems pretty straightforward, but I got to thinking about the distributor, and how it doesn't have a tach-drive on it (which I need in the other car), so I was wondering, if I were to tell the computer to ignore the input/output for the distributor, could it cause other problems later?
Of course I'd also need to disable the knock sensor...
Of course I'd also need to disable the knock sensor...
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
The procedure seems pretty straightforward, but I got to thinking about the distributor, and how it doesn't have a tach-drive on it (which I need in the other car), so I was wondering, if I were to tell the computer to ignore the input/output for the distributor, could it cause other problems later?
Of course I'd also need to disable the knock sensor...
Of course I'd also need to disable the knock sensor...
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
Mechanical tach drive distributor, haven't seen one of those in a long time.
You can have an EFI setup without engine timing control. However, you still need to provide a DRP to the ECM. The ECM requires distributor input to calculate the RPM, handle the crank routines properly, and to know when to fire the injectors. From points: filter it, and level convert to 5V maximum (0-5V Sq wave). Then feed it to the ECM.
RBob.
You can have an EFI setup without engine timing control. However, you still need to provide a DRP to the ECM. The ECM requires distributor input to calculate the RPM, handle the crank routines properly, and to know when to fire the injectors. From points: filter it, and level convert to 5V maximum (0-5V Sq wave). Then feed it to the ECM.
RBob.
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
What I do is just install a magnetic pickup and reluctor from something like a Ford duraspark or a Mopar electronic distributor into mine.
Then you can take full advantage of the timing and fuel control.
The other option is to add a timing wheel to the crank and go DIS.
Then you can take full advantage of the timing and fuel control.
The other option is to add a timing wheel to the crank and go DIS.
Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
Why not just install a electronic disty and wire it correctly?? That way you will have infinite adjustability of your timing curve and wont have to worry about the details??
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
i have to ask, other than having it, is there a reason you have a mechanical tach?
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
Originally Posted by RBob
Mechanical tach drive distributor, haven't seen one of those in a long time.
You can have an EFI setup without engine timing control. However, you still need to provide a DRP to the ECM. The ECM requires distributor input to calculate the RPM, handle the crank routines properly, and to know when to fire the injectors. From points: filter it, and level convert to 5V maximum (0-5V Sq wave). Then feed it to the ECM.
RBob.
You can have an EFI setup without engine timing control. However, you still need to provide a DRP to the ECM. The ECM requires distributor input to calculate the RPM, handle the crank routines properly, and to know when to fire the injectors. From points: filter it, and level convert to 5V maximum (0-5V Sq wave). Then feed it to the ECM.
RBob.
In any case, if that's all that needs doing, I think running the TBI from my old FB won't be such a problem after all. Thanks!
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
If you are running HEI then you can swap the 4 pin module inside to the 7 pin module for timing control and keep the rest the same.
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
I'm a little confused on your distr.
You said it's a C3 vette with a 350 running a large coil in cap, HEI distr that is equipped with a cable tach drive output, but also has the tach output plug on the cap.
Is all this correct?
I'll see if i have a large cap distr in the shop but I think all mine are the later small cap distr's.
You said it's a C3 vette with a 350 running a large coil in cap, HEI distr that is equipped with a cable tach drive output, but also has the tach output plug on the cap.
Is all this correct?
I'll see if i have a large cap distr in the shop but I think all mine are the later small cap distr's.
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
I'm a little confused on your distr.
You said it's a C3 vette with a 350 running a large coil in cap, HEI distr that is equipped with a cable tach drive output, but also has the tach output plug on the cap.
Is all this correct?
I'll see if i have a large cap distr in the shop but I think all mine are the later small cap distr's.
You said it's a C3 vette with a 350 running a large coil in cap, HEI distr that is equipped with a cable tach drive output, but also has the tach output plug on the cap.
Is all this correct?
I'll see if i have a large cap distr in the shop but I think all mine are the later small cap distr's.
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Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
Makes sense now.
You can lock out the mechanical advance with either a tack weld or a screw.
Then leave the vacuum hose disconnected.
Then you can remove the 4 pin module and install a 7 pin module.
The pick up wires will go to the P and N terminals and the rest will wire up as per the ECM wiring diagrams.
I didn't have a large cap HEI. I was hoping to document the conversion to keep on file. Sorry.
Did a google but didn't see a write up readily available.
I'm sure if you hit the junkyard you could find a large cap HEI with the 7 pin module and connectors you would need to make a clean install.
You can lock out the mechanical advance with either a tack weld or a screw.
Then leave the vacuum hose disconnected.
Then you can remove the 4 pin module and install a 7 pin module.
The pick up wires will go to the P and N terminals and the rest will wire up as per the ECM wiring diagrams.
I didn't have a large cap HEI. I was hoping to document the conversion to keep on file. Sorry.
Did a google but didn't see a write up readily available.
I'm sure if you hit the junkyard you could find a large cap HEI with the 7 pin module and connectors you would need to make a clean install.
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Axle/Gears: 3.08, 10bolt
Re: Adapting TBI to an older Chevy V8
Makes sense now.
You can lock out the mechanical advance with either a tack weld or a screw.
Then leave the vacuum hose disconnected.
Then you can remove the 4 pin module and install a 7 pin module.
The pick up wires will go to the P and N terminals and the rest will wire up as per the ECM wiring diagrams.
I didn't have a large cap HEI. I was hoping to document the conversion to keep on file. Sorry.
Did a google but didn't see a write up readily available.
I'm sure if you hit the junkyard you could find a large cap HEI with the 7 pin module and connectors you would need to make a clean install.
You can lock out the mechanical advance with either a tack weld or a screw.
Then leave the vacuum hose disconnected.
Then you can remove the 4 pin module and install a 7 pin module.
The pick up wires will go to the P and N terminals and the rest will wire up as per the ECM wiring diagrams.
I didn't have a large cap HEI. I was hoping to document the conversion to keep on file. Sorry.
Did a google but didn't see a write up readily available.
I'm sure if you hit the junkyard you could find a large cap HEI with the 7 pin module and connectors you would need to make a clean install.
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