$59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
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$59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Im sorry i cant seem to find one for my application. Could anyone point me in the right direction..its for a 3 bar map turbo app. Im still a noob and i got totally lost on code 59 trying to fine the files and i know there are people on here that run the code and also know that i ask way too many questions
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Is dig's 60lb base bin still available? Use that and just scale the base pulse constant vs egr table til the car is able to run.
may want to disable quasi fuel mode too.
You can also just take a known 730 VE table and paste it into $59 and then play with the base pulse width vs egr table til motor runs. Thats how I did my 401....well I took a stock L98 ve table and started from there since I had no known 400 V8 VE table.
may want to disable quasi fuel mode too.
You can also just take a known 730 VE table and paste it into $59 and then play with the base pulse width vs egr table til motor runs. Thats how I did my 401....well I took a stock L98 ve table and started from there since I had no known 400 V8 VE table.
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Im sorry i cant seem to find one for my application. Could anyone point me in the right direction..its for a 3 bar map turbo app. Im still a noob and i got totally lost on code 59 trying to fine the files and i know there are people on here that run the code and also know that i ask way too many questions 7730 3.1L V6
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
yeah with code $59, it takes some time to setup since there really isnt a base bin for anything other than a stock 3.8/4.3 or w/e turbo truck motor. Basically grab the base truck bin and start from scratch.
Once you can get it to fire and idle you can start to scale the VE table and start tuning from there...but getting it to fire and idle does take some trial and error.
Once you can get it to fire and idle you can start to scale the VE table and start tuning from there...but getting it to fire and idle does take some trial and error.
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
those are $58...are they modded for a 3 bar map?
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
which one of those 4 bins from dyi efi should i start with?
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
BBZA= gm p/n 16181575 T1 LB4 4.3 AUTO
BBZB= gm p/n 16181579 T1 LB4 4.3 MAN
AYBN= gm p/n 16164174 T1 LB4 4.3 AUTO
BBZB= gm p/n 16181579 T1 LB4 4.3 MAN
AYBN= gm p/n 16164174 T1 LB4 4.3 AUTO
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
oh so sorry, I thought I was in the $59 folder
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
http://www.code59.org/index.php?opti...=1927&catid=10
my bad. I did not mean to mislead you man. You might pm sixshooter he is a member of code$59.org
my bad. I did not mean to mislead you man. You might pm sixshooter he is a member of code$59.org
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
As I said in the PM, I started with the V4 starter bin and tuned from there.
I did try the V2 and V3 starter bins, but they didn't seem to have enough base fuel fuel in them for my application. That is the difference between the 4 starter bins, amount of "fuel" in the VE tables, they are all the same curves, just higher VE numbers in the higher numbered starter bins.
You'll likely be surprised how easy it is to get it to start and run with the base $59 BINs.
I had a bit of trouble with mine, simply because I didn't realize the IAC port was blocked due to the gasket I used. :facepalm: I adjusted the F28 table until it would run (took about 20 minutes IIRC), then after getting the car off the jackstands (I had to check for leaks since it was a fresh EFI conversion on a previously carbureted vehicle), it took me about 5 minutes to get it driveable, there was some slight bucking at part throttle accel, that need to be rid of, then it's been great since then, with the tweaking I've done.
As far as MS is concerned, I've read numerous stories where guys can't get their cars running for days or weeks, after an MS install, even with known running (on other engines) MSQs. This is still just one of the many reasons I prefer the Delco ECM for conversions.
I did try the V2 and V3 starter bins, but they didn't seem to have enough base fuel fuel in them for my application. That is the difference between the 4 starter bins, amount of "fuel" in the VE tables, they are all the same curves, just higher VE numbers in the higher numbered starter bins.
You'll likely be surprised how easy it is to get it to start and run with the base $59 BINs.
I had a bit of trouble with mine, simply because I didn't realize the IAC port was blocked due to the gasket I used. :facepalm: I adjusted the F28 table until it would run (took about 20 minutes IIRC), then after getting the car off the jackstands (I had to check for leaks since it was a fresh EFI conversion on a previously carbureted vehicle), it took me about 5 minutes to get it driveable, there was some slight bucking at part throttle accel, that need to be rid of, then it's been great since then, with the tweaking I've done.
As far as MS is concerned, I've read numerous stories where guys can't get their cars running for days or weeks, after an MS install, even with known running (on other engines) MSQs. This is still just one of the many reasons I prefer the Delco ECM for conversions.
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
As I said in the PM, I started with the V4 starter bin and tuned from there.
I did try the V2 and V3 starter bins, but they didn't seem to have enough base fuel fuel in them for my application. That is the difference between the 4 starter bins, amount of "fuel" in the VE tables, they are all the same curves, just higher VE numbers in the higher numbered starter bins.
You'll likely be surprised how easy it is to get it to start and run with the base $59 BINs.
I had a bit of trouble with mine, simply because I didn't realize the IAC port was blocked due to the gasket I used. :facepalm: I adjusted the F28 table until it would run (took about 20 minutes IIRC), then after getting the car off the jackstands (I had to check for leaks since it was a fresh EFI conversion on a previously carbureted vehicle), it took me about 5 minutes to get it driveable, there was some slight bucking at part throttle accel, that need to be rid of, then it's been great since then, with the tweaking I've done.
As far as MS is concerned, I've read numerous stories where guys can't get their cars running for days or weeks, after an MS install, even with known running (on other engines) MSQs. This is still just one of the many reasons I prefer the Delco ECM for conversions.
I did try the V2 and V3 starter bins, but they didn't seem to have enough base fuel fuel in them for my application. That is the difference between the 4 starter bins, amount of "fuel" in the VE tables, they are all the same curves, just higher VE numbers in the higher numbered starter bins.
You'll likely be surprised how easy it is to get it to start and run with the base $59 BINs.
I had a bit of trouble with mine, simply because I didn't realize the IAC port was blocked due to the gasket I used. :facepalm: I adjusted the F28 table until it would run (took about 20 minutes IIRC), then after getting the car off the jackstands (I had to check for leaks since it was a fresh EFI conversion on a previously carbureted vehicle), it took me about 5 minutes to get it driveable, there was some slight bucking at part throttle accel, that need to be rid of, then it's been great since then, with the tweaking I've done.
As far as MS is concerned, I've read numerous stories where guys can't get their cars running for days or weeks, after an MS install, even with known running (on other engines) MSQs. This is still just one of the many reasons I prefer the Delco ECM for conversions.
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
and this is what it says when i get to the 5 versions of starter bins...
404 - File or directory not found
404 - File or directory not found
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Here:http://www.code59.org/index.php?opti...tid=10&id=1927
The V18 you are seeing is the current code59 version available to the public, it is what most or maybe all of the current bins are based on.
Sorry, I was calling the starter bins V1, V2, etc, I see they are just numbered -1, -2, -3 and -4.
The V5 you are seeing is likely the XDF and ADX, that work with TunerPro V5
The V18 you are seeing is the current code59 version available to the public, it is what most or maybe all of the current bins are based on.
Sorry, I was calling the starter bins V1, V2, etc, I see they are just numbered -1, -2, -3 and -4.
The V5 you are seeing is likely the XDF and ADX, that work with TunerPro V5
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
as for the guys who cant get there cars running for days, most of them just dont read the dam manual
my first megasquirt install took 6 hours and once it was installed i had the car running in about 20 mins, within an hour had it running good enough to drive around town and after that was able to drive it on the highway.
most ms issues come from ppl that dont pay attention to directions or mis wire something
i really do liek the ms for simplicity though
set injector constant
fill the ve map with values of 40 ( most cars idle from 30-40% ve values in the idle cells )
set cold start enrichment value
set base ignition map
hit the key start motor and verify base timing
then start dataloging and adjusting ve table
if the motor fires but dosent stay running u only need to adjust the cold start enrichments
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Ok i understand now. Ill get the v18, wow do ppl run some big injectors!! I guess i should just download the jim 55lbs v18? looks like its the best bet right??
And ill get the xfd and asx... thanks sixshooter!
And ill get the xfd and asx... thanks sixshooter!
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
i can supply u with a ve table, u will have to convert it over to work with the stock ecms tables though.
but it will give u a good idea of the values u will need at what rpms and boost levels
u have the 260 cam right?
but it will give u a good idea of the values u will need at what rpms and boost levels
u have the 260 cam right?
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
yup the delta one
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
listen to six as he has this code running on a v6
as for the guys who cant get there cars running for days, most of them just dont read the dam manual
my first megasquirt install took 6 hours and once it was installed i had the car running in about 20 mins, within an hour had it running good enough to drive around town and after that was able to drive it on the highway.
most ms issues come from ppl that dont pay attention to directions or mis wire something
i really do liek the ms for simplicity though
set injector constant
fill the ve map with values of 40 ( most cars idle from 30-40% ve values in the idle cells )
set cold start enrichment value
set base ignition map
hit the key start motor and verify base timing
then start dataloging and adjusting ve table
if the motor fires but dosent stay running u only need to adjust the cold start enrichments
as for the guys who cant get there cars running for days, most of them just dont read the dam manual
my first megasquirt install took 6 hours and once it was installed i had the car running in about 20 mins, within an hour had it running good enough to drive around town and after that was able to drive it on the highway.
most ms issues come from ppl that dont pay attention to directions or mis wire something
i really do liek the ms for simplicity though
set injector constant
fill the ve map with values of 40 ( most cars idle from 30-40% ve values in the idle cells )
set cold start enrichment value
set base ignition map
hit the key start motor and verify base timing
then start dataloging and adjusting ve table
if the motor fires but dosent stay running u only need to adjust the cold start enrichments
I don't want to get into a pissing match about this, but from what I read in the threads that are like this, is that most of these people did their homework, try everything that the people on forums tell them, check their wiring several times, and have troubles with getting an initial fire. Now some were incorrect mechanical items, but many turned out to be the MS itself, or some obscure setting that changed "somehow" when it was uploaded, due to different firmwares, or something slightly different than what someone else is running.
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Code:
EVEME 1.0
UserRev: 1.00
UserComment:
Date: 07-24-2010
Time: 21:04
Page 0
VE Table RPM Range [12]
[ 0] = 6
[ 1] = 11
[ 2] = 16
[ 3] = 21
[ 4] = 26
[ 5] = 31
[ 6] = 36
[ 7] = 41
[ 8] = 46
[ 9] = 51
[ 10] = 56
[ 11] = 62
VE Table Load Range (MAP) [12]
[ 0] = 30
[ 1] = 40
[ 2] = 50
[ 3] = 60
[ 4] = 70
[ 5] = 80
[ 6] = 90
[ 7] = 100
[ 8] = 120
[ 9] = 130
[ 10] = 155
[ 11] = 180
VE Table [ 12][ 12]
[ 0] [ 1] [ 2] [ 3] [ 4] [ 5] [ 6] [ 7] [ 8] [ 9] [ 10] [ 11]
[ 0] = 41 43 48 57 62 69 74 72 70 67 65 63
[ 1] = 48 49 54 61 70 79 80 83 79 72 70 67
[ 2] = 56 58 58 64 76 84 85 89 86 77 74 72
[ 3] = 63 66 63 69 78 85 87 91 91 82 79 76
[ 4] = 57 66 69 76 84 90 92 93 95 86 83 81
[ 5] = 62 69 74 83 89 92 95 94 91 91 88 85
[ 6] = 60 77 81 88 90 93 93 96 94 90 93 89
[ 7] = 60 79 91 101 105 105 105 107 107 107 109 105
[ 8] = 60 75 103 107 107 107 107 107 109 111 111 118
[ 9] = 60 86 115 115 115 115 115 115 116 117 119 130
[ 10] = 60 86 111 120 120 120 120 120 120 121 123 133
[ 11] = 60 88 117 124 124 123 123 123 123 123 123 137 the injectors size wont matter much as ur ecm will scale the values apropratly when u change the injector constant
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
rpm bins are across the top of the bottom table
map mins are the ones down the left side of the bottom table
i.e for rpm bins
[ 0] = 600 rpm [ 1] = 1100 rpm
for the map values
[ 0] = 30 kpa [ 1] = 40 kpa [ 2] = 50 kpa
etc etc
0vac/0boost is 100kpa anything under 100kpa is vacum
107kpa = 1 psi
114kpa = 2 psi
etc etc
map mins are the ones down the left side of the bottom table
i.e for rpm bins
[ 0] = 600 rpm [ 1] = 1100 rpm
for the map values
[ 0] = 30 kpa [ 1] = 40 kpa [ 2] = 50 kpa
etc etc
0vac/0boost is 100kpa anything under 100kpa is vacum
107kpa = 1 psi
114kpa = 2 psi
etc etc
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Re: $59 Starter bin for 3.1L turbo
Ok dave i understand. Thanks alot as that will help me!!!!
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