Remote start on a Manual
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Remote start on a Manual
I know there has to be a way to wire up a remote start on a manual tranny. I have been kind of poking around to see what is out there but have never really came across anything. Could someone please fill me in on what I would need for this. I have heard somewhere that a remote start from a store is not going to work for my car since it is for a auto tranny. Is that true? I know that you are going to need a sensor within your shifter to make sure that you are not in gear but outside of that what else. Thanks for all of your help.
You would need a switch to make sure it's not in gear, and you'd need (or should have) one on the parking brake to make sure it's on before the remote start would enable....but if you do you're putting yourself into a world of liability. Almost all remote starts state that they're not intended for use on standard transmission equipped vehicles and that statement alone will beat any argument you could have should a switch, the RS unit, or some wiring fail and your car plunges into a building, another car, or worse someone close by.
And no-one knows better than a thirdgen owner that wiring and switches do fail and that our parking brakes are next to worthless. If you decide the convenience is worth the liability, then you go for it.
And no-one knows better than a thirdgen owner that wiring and switches do fail and that our parking brakes are next to worthless. If you decide the convenience is worth the liability, then you go for it.
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theres a switch under your clutch pedel, just wire it together and cut the switch out, and u can put the remote starter in no prob. just make sure u never have it in gear when i go to start it or the cars gonna jump prety far be4 it stops. good luck
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See thats the thing, I know first hand that the car lurches forward if it is in gear. I almost got taken out by one when some lady turned her car off.
I know that things fail just I can go through my car and find plenty of things that are bad. I also know that the e-brake sucks horribly. I am thinking that this probably wouldnt be that great of an idea with all of the possibilities that could and probably will go wrong. I am going to have to look deeper into it to see if, like you said Jza, the trouble is worth the convenience.
Really quickly though I would be able to grab a normal remote start from say Best Buy, I work there so it is cheap, and then just pick up the sensors for the shifter and pedal right?
I know that things fail just I can go through my car and find plenty of things that are bad. I also know that the e-brake sucks horribly. I am thinking that this probably wouldnt be that great of an idea with all of the possibilities that could and probably will go wrong. I am going to have to look deeper into it to see if, like you said Jza, the trouble is worth the convenience.
Really quickly though I would be able to grab a normal remote start from say Best Buy, I work there so it is cheap, and then just pick up the sensors for the shifter and pedal right?
Last edited by Drkhrse89; Nov 27, 2002 at 01:42 PM.
can you even start a manual without pushing the clutch in, if it's in nuetral?
I know my dad has a toyota (i know it's probably an 80 something) and you can't start it without pushing in the clutch..
I believe, anyways.. or maybe it was you can't start it in gear without the clutch
it was one of those
I know my dad has a toyota (i know it's probably an 80 something) and you can't start it without pushing in the clutch..
I believe, anyways.. or maybe it was you can't start it in gear without the clutch
it was one of those
There was a shift *** that had indicators on it for what gear you were in, it used a few switched that the stick triggered, you might be able to use that, so if the car was in gear it would not start, run a search for that thing, it's in here somewhere.
From the factory, manual tranny thirdgens will not crank the starter unless the clutch is depressed. But this is a trivial issue to address with a relay and some wire.
The big issue as other posters have pointed out is safety. I've heard of remote start equipped manual tranny cars taking out garage doors, store windows, and bouncing around parking lots like ping pong *****.
Another less thought of issue to keep in mind is how you're going to physically keep the car from rolling away if you leave it in neutral when you park it. Remember that many thirdgens are drum brake equipped and engaging the drum brakes in cold weather will likely cause the shoes to seize to the drum.
The big issue as other posters have pointed out is safety. I've heard of remote start equipped manual tranny cars taking out garage doors, store windows, and bouncing around parking lots like ping pong *****.
Another less thought of issue to keep in mind is how you're going to physically keep the car from rolling away if you leave it in neutral when you park it. Remember that many thirdgens are drum brake equipped and engaging the drum brakes in cold weather will likely cause the shoes to seize to the drum.
Originally posted by MasterEvilAce
can you even start a manual without pushing the clutch in, if it's in nuetral?
can you even start a manual without pushing the clutch in, if it's in nuetral?
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Originally posted by 2vmodular
From the factory, manual tranny thirdgens will not crank the starter unless the clutch is depressed. But this is a trivial issue to address with a relay and some wire.
The big issue as other posters have pointed out is safety. I've heard of remote start equipped manual tranny cars taking out garage doors, store windows, and bouncing around parking lots like ping pong *****...
From the factory, manual tranny thirdgens will not crank the starter unless the clutch is depressed. But this is a trivial issue to address with a relay and some wire.
The big issue as other posters have pointed out is safety. I've heard of remote start equipped manual tranny cars taking out garage doors, store windows, and bouncing around parking lots like ping pong *****...
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unless you can sucessfully construct a nuetral saftey switch that actually makes sure the shifter is not in any gear....I wouldn't do it.
you can use a 12v out put from the remote start circuit to trip a relay to close the two sides of the clutch saftey switch. it is probably a NO push button (NC when button is released)
I installed a shifter in my automatic car. I was too lazy to deal with the neutral safety switch. The problem was that sometimes I would shut it down in gear (the column lock was disconnected too) and it would roll forward while it cranked a couple of times, and still start!! I held the brake in ofcourse, but it would have kept on going by itself!! so....if you want to defeat the clutch's saftey switch, make sure you duplicate the function of the auto neutral saftey switch in your stick shifter.
this can be done by wiring 5 normally closed push button switches in series (where each one would be contacted by the shifter when in gear) run the two wires from each side of this set
up to either side of the clutch switch, cut the wire and wire it through you quintet of NC push buttons under the shift console.
this way, your starter relay isn't grounded unless all 6 switches,clutch pedal,1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,reverse gears are disengaged. (the clutch wouldn't really be pressed, but it's ok when it's out of gear) then it would be perfectly safe to use the remaote start system. use quality switches and there shouldn't be a problem.
the parking brake will not freeze if it's properly adjusted,lubricated and used frequently.
you can use a 12v out put from the remote start circuit to trip a relay to close the two sides of the clutch saftey switch. it is probably a NO push button (NC when button is released)
I installed a shifter in my automatic car. I was too lazy to deal with the neutral safety switch. The problem was that sometimes I would shut it down in gear (the column lock was disconnected too) and it would roll forward while it cranked a couple of times, and still start!! I held the brake in ofcourse, but it would have kept on going by itself!! so....if you want to defeat the clutch's saftey switch, make sure you duplicate the function of the auto neutral saftey switch in your stick shifter.
this can be done by wiring 5 normally closed push button switches in series (where each one would be contacted by the shifter when in gear) run the two wires from each side of this set
up to either side of the clutch switch, cut the wire and wire it through you quintet of NC push buttons under the shift console.
this way, your starter relay isn't grounded unless all 6 switches,clutch pedal,1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,reverse gears are disengaged. (the clutch wouldn't really be pressed, but it's ok when it's out of gear) then it would be perfectly safe to use the remaote start system. use quality switches and there shouldn't be a problem.
the parking brake will not freeze if it's properly adjusted,lubricated and used frequently.
Relays can and do fail as evidenced by the questions asked here about the fuel pump & cooling fan relays.
Parking brake cables typically does not seize in the sleeve if it is lubricated and used frequently, however it will still stretch with age and use. If you live in an area that gets cold during the winter months and you've got a drum brake rear, you do run the distinct risk of the brake shoes freezing to the brake drum if they are applied when you park the car.
Parking brake cables typically does not seize in the sleeve if it is lubricated and used frequently, however it will still stretch with age and use. If you live in an area that gets cold during the winter months and you've got a drum brake rear, you do run the distinct risk of the brake shoes freezing to the brake drum if they are applied when you park the car.
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No problem. After you've defeated the clutch switch, just install remote controlled steering, brakes and kill switch through a r/c controller. You'll have a GIANT r/c car! SPY TV or Candid Camera will want to borrow it.
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No problem. After you've defeated the clutch switch, just install remote controlled steering, brakes and kill switch through a r/c controller. You'll have a GIANT r/c car! SPY TV or Candid Camera will want to borrow it.
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