Protecting Your Bird
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Protecting Your Bird
I've seen a few posts on how people's cars have been broken into, and I have come to the conclusion that we need to find a alarm system that is cheap and effective. I have one that came with the car but its to sensitive. I was looking outside and saw a cat go by my car. It rubbed up against the car and the alarm went off. Does anybody now of any alarm system that can can protect our cars? Mabye some video surveliance?
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I found a site they may be of some use. I think its commandocaralarm.com. Or something like that. check it out. Still working on video surveilance.
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as far as a car alarm, every shop has one to buy, any place will sell you quality, 17 diffrent siren alarms that go off, and you can change the sensitivity. As far as Video... you mean something like a mini camera in the dash ? but how much money can you spend on a third gen ?? (a lot, i know) mabey a more appropriate Question or topic is "What alarm system works best for you" becuase i am sure lots of people have high quality alarms. BTW , toyota's are the most broken into cars. Parts for sale for the same toyotas that got jacked. Love the beauty of it.
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I think allot of the cars getting broken into looks really nice and looking inside you see really nice stuff.
A car blue booked at $5000 with $20,000 in rims n tires with a $10,000 stereo system is the prime targets.
A rusty 3rd gen with an 8 track player has never been broken into. Think about that one when your pricing gold spinner rims.
I wonder how these work.
CAR ALARM RADAR SENSOR! STEP INTO THE MATRIX!
THE MATRIX
RADAR SYSTEM
2.4 GHz Field Disturbance Sensor
Works With Just About Any Car Alarm Alarm System!
(Leave You Windows Down And Your Stereo Is Still Protected!)
http://7925.adahost.com/computer/ind...item11397.html
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The M.A.T.R.I X- is a field disturbance sensor that uses an ultra high frequency to detect movement within a contained area. The sensor is ideal for protecting open areas such as convertibles, boats, campershells and can be used for ultimate protection in any vehicle. The M.A.T.R.I.X. is extremely stable and reliable, not affected by noise, temperature.wind or sun.
Mounting:
Positioning the M.A.T.R-I.X. sensor in the vehicle is crucial for proper operation. The sensor must he mounted vertically or horizontally, centered in the vehicle and as low as possible. The sensor projects it's field directly above, in front and behind the sensor in a 360' deg pattern For most vehicles it is recommended that the sensor be mounted under the center console or under the rear seat. The M.A T R I X. sets up a field that will penetrate plastic, glass, wood and most other materials EXCEPT metals This will allow you to mount the sensor out of sight. It is recommended that the sensor be placed and then tested before actual mounting is done.
Wiring:
The sensor has three wires that must he connected Here are two common ways the M.A. I -R.I.X, is Interfaced with an alarm system:
A.) Most alarms: Connect the RED wire to a fused. 12vdc. (+) constant source. Connect the BLACK wire (-) to a stable chasis ground or the negative post of the battery Connect the WHITE or BROWN wire to the negative accessory trigger o! the alarm unit.
B.) For alarm systems with an armed (-) output, connect The RED wire as shown in the diagram. Connect the BLACK wire to the negative armed output of the alarm such as a negative starter kill output. Connect the WHITE or BROWN wire as shown.
Adjusting the Sensor:
You must adjust the sensitivity to fit the vehicle that it is installed in. If the sensor is too sensitive, the fields will extend beyond the enclosed area of the vehicle through the glass and can activate the alarm if someone walks by the vehicle. However, the sensor should trigger when an aim or body reaches inside the vehicle Begin testing with the sensitivity adjusted half-way with the sensor placed in it's desired mounting location Some larger vehicles will require more then one sensor for total coverage. To adjust the sensor to he more sensitive, turn the adjustment screw CLOCKWISE For less sensitivity.adjust this screw COUNTER-CLOCKWISE. Test alarm and adjust the sensitivity to your desired setting
Addititional Notes:
The radar sensor is equipped with two L.E.D. lights, one GREEN and one RED-The green L.E.D. indicates movement within the sensors field. The red L.E.D.
indicates that the sensor has been triggered and a negative trigger has been sent out to the alarm -system. I ho two LED lights are part of a three tag system designed to eliminate any chance of false alarms- The sensor recognizes movement within a certain time frame before triggering the alarm Movement must be detected three times within a one second period before the unit will send a trigger to the alarm system. If a leaf or small object fails Into the sensors field it would be ignored.
Technical Data:
Dimensions : 3.3"x2.25"x.65"
Input Voltage: +8 - +16Vdc.
Current Draw: Less than 9 0 Ma. stand -by
Output: Less than 20.0 Ma. triggered (-) Pulse 0.8 Sec,Open Collector Output
Operating Temp: -30deg.C To +70deg.C
Field Settle Time: 5.0 sec,
Signal: 2447 GHz.
Trigger Output Rating: 500 mA. O.C.O.
The MAT.R.I.X. Radar Sensor Is Designed and Manufactured in The U.S.A.
BRAND NEW!
Shipping and Insurance Will Calculate at Checkout
Price: US$ 29.95
A car blue booked at $5000 with $20,000 in rims n tires with a $10,000 stereo system is the prime targets.
A rusty 3rd gen with an 8 track player has never been broken into. Think about that one when your pricing gold spinner rims.
I wonder how these work.
CAR ALARM RADAR SENSOR! STEP INTO THE MATRIX!
THE MATRIX
RADAR SYSTEM
2.4 GHz Field Disturbance Sensor
Works With Just About Any Car Alarm Alarm System!
(Leave You Windows Down And Your Stereo Is Still Protected!)
http://7925.adahost.com/computer/ind...item11397.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The M.A.T.R.I X- is a field disturbance sensor that uses an ultra high frequency to detect movement within a contained area. The sensor is ideal for protecting open areas such as convertibles, boats, campershells and can be used for ultimate protection in any vehicle. The M.A.T.R.I.X. is extremely stable and reliable, not affected by noise, temperature.wind or sun.
Mounting:
Positioning the M.A.T.R-I.X. sensor in the vehicle is crucial for proper operation. The sensor must he mounted vertically or horizontally, centered in the vehicle and as low as possible. The sensor projects it's field directly above, in front and behind the sensor in a 360' deg pattern For most vehicles it is recommended that the sensor be mounted under the center console or under the rear seat. The M.A T R I X. sets up a field that will penetrate plastic, glass, wood and most other materials EXCEPT metals This will allow you to mount the sensor out of sight. It is recommended that the sensor be placed and then tested before actual mounting is done.
Wiring:
The sensor has three wires that must he connected Here are two common ways the M.A. I -R.I.X, is Interfaced with an alarm system:
A.) Most alarms: Connect the RED wire to a fused. 12vdc. (+) constant source. Connect the BLACK wire (-) to a stable chasis ground or the negative post of the battery Connect the WHITE or BROWN wire to the negative accessory trigger o! the alarm unit.
B.) For alarm systems with an armed (-) output, connect The RED wire as shown in the diagram. Connect the BLACK wire to the negative armed output of the alarm such as a negative starter kill output. Connect the WHITE or BROWN wire as shown.
Adjusting the Sensor:
You must adjust the sensitivity to fit the vehicle that it is installed in. If the sensor is too sensitive, the fields will extend beyond the enclosed area of the vehicle through the glass and can activate the alarm if someone walks by the vehicle. However, the sensor should trigger when an aim or body reaches inside the vehicle Begin testing with the sensitivity adjusted half-way with the sensor placed in it's desired mounting location Some larger vehicles will require more then one sensor for total coverage. To adjust the sensor to he more sensitive, turn the adjustment screw CLOCKWISE For less sensitivity.adjust this screw COUNTER-CLOCKWISE. Test alarm and adjust the sensitivity to your desired setting
Addititional Notes:
The radar sensor is equipped with two L.E.D. lights, one GREEN and one RED-The green L.E.D. indicates movement within the sensors field. The red L.E.D.
indicates that the sensor has been triggered and a negative trigger has been sent out to the alarm -system. I ho two LED lights are part of a three tag system designed to eliminate any chance of false alarms- The sensor recognizes movement within a certain time frame before triggering the alarm Movement must be detected three times within a one second period before the unit will send a trigger to the alarm system. If a leaf or small object fails Into the sensors field it would be ignored.
Technical Data:
Dimensions : 3.3"x2.25"x.65"
Input Voltage: +8 - +16Vdc.
Current Draw: Less than 9 0 Ma. stand -by
Output: Less than 20.0 Ma. triggered (-) Pulse 0.8 Sec,Open Collector Output
Operating Temp: -30deg.C To +70deg.C
Field Settle Time: 5.0 sec,
Signal: 2447 GHz.
Trigger Output Rating: 500 mA. O.C.O.
The MAT.R.I.X. Radar Sensor Is Designed and Manufactured in The U.S.A.
BRAND NEW!
Shipping and Insurance Will Calculate at Checkout
Price: US$ 29.95
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Thats the pricey one, if you look around the site they got a few for $15
But I have never used one. Sound good. Better than setting up a velvet rop with alarm around your car at every store.
You ever see those?? They have em at car shows. a velvet rope that bitches when you touch or bump it.
But I have never used one. Sound good. Better than setting up a velvet rop with alarm around your car at every store.
You ever see those?? They have em at car shows. a velvet rope that bitches when you touch or bump it.
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I'm going to order one of those M.a.t.r.i.x alarms. They seem like they would be quite reliable according to Gumby. Cant wait. I'll put it into my new T/A. I'll let you guys know how it works out.
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OK...call me nuts, but I rarely lock my car.(yes, I DO take my keys!) Why?
If a thief wants whats' in there he's gonna' get it one way or another....and I HATE replacing window glass!
Sure, alarms are a thought, but when was the last time you noticed anyone paying attention to them when they go off? Most folks ignore them and consider the noise an aggravation, more than anything else.
As far as an effective deturrent?...I have no idea. I'm sure the alarm companies would love some good ideas, as well.
I'll agree, appearence will make a difference in your chances of getting ripped(someone would break into my stepdaughters '89 Formula LONG before they'd mess with my '65 Valiant
). I suppose its' just part and parcel with owning a nice ride.
If a thief wants whats' in there he's gonna' get it one way or another....and I HATE replacing window glass!
Sure, alarms are a thought, but when was the last time you noticed anyone paying attention to them when they go off? Most folks ignore them and consider the noise an aggravation, more than anything else.
As far as an effective deturrent?...I have no idea. I'm sure the alarm companies would love some good ideas, as well.
I'll agree, appearence will make a difference in your chances of getting ripped(someone would break into my stepdaughters '89 Formula LONG before they'd mess with my '65 Valiant
). I suppose its' just part and parcel with owning a nice ride.
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Yes your right but I would still have an alarm going off when someone tries breaking in because if they breakin the alarm is triggered and the theif believes that the owner will come out fairly quickly. Thus in turn they will not have enough time in order to steal anything. Plus when I go to movies or something I always park in front of the theater so the people can see my car in case it gets broken into. Also when you go to dinner park it next to a window so you can see it. Just my ideas though.
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Good suggestions......but then, thats just common sense. Most thieves don't like to work in highly visible areas...alarm or no alarm.
Besides, it is my observation that the last person to hear an alarm is the owner. Thats' the main reason most people ignore them.
They scream on and on and on.....(in DRIVEWAYS for cryin' out loud!!!!)....and the owner never notices.
Besides, it is my observation that the last person to hear an alarm is the owner. Thats' the main reason most people ignore them.
They scream on and on and on.....(in DRIVEWAYS for cryin' out loud!!!!)....and the owner never notices.
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Has it been done? I'm sure it has but Id like to hear first hand knowledge of it.
Rig a 12volt fog machine into your alarm.
Try taking out the radio while you choke on cotton candy smoke and everyone in eye sights goes, "That car is on fire!"
Rig a 12volt fog machine into your alarm.
Try taking out the radio while you choke on cotton candy smoke and everyone in eye sights goes, "That car is on fire!"
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LOL!!!! Ya' know, something like that would work!!!!
Make that a safed-off smoke bomb(something akin to the fireworks version) and I'll PROMISE no one would steal your stuff.
...course it might be a few days before you could stand to get in your car again!
Make that a safed-off smoke bomb(something akin to the fireworks version) and I'll PROMISE no one would steal your stuff.
...course it might be a few days before you could stand to get in your car again!
check this out http://www.powerlock.com/consumerfront.asp
or you could rig up something so when you arm your alarm system and someone opens the door have it trigger tear gas to spray out from under the dash pad! im shure no one will steal your stuff then!
or you could rig up something so when you arm your alarm system and someone opens the door have it trigger tear gas to spray out from under the dash pad! im shure no one will steal your stuff then!
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Gotta keep it PC and friendly.You may get sued for injuring the thief. With no witness they could say anything on why they opened your door.
The smoke would be enough and the pink cotton candy fog smells nice.You would surly grab attention with a loud alarm and a fog machine. People will come to see what it is and call the police.
" Um there is a car with an alarm going off and it looks to be on fire."
Nothing like having the police, fire and rescue squad showing up to catch a car thief.
The smoke would be enough and the pink cotton candy fog smells nice.You would surly grab attention with a loud alarm and a fog machine. People will come to see what it is and call the police.
" Um there is a car with an alarm going off and it looks to be on fire."
Nothing like having the police, fire and rescue squad showing up to catch a car thief.
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"Our in-car smoke security system is a compact unit with an emphasis on both user and installer friendliness. The unit is 12 volt DC car battery powered.
The small size (154mm in length x 43mm in height x 60mm in depth) allows it to be housed far more easily in small spaces such as under car seats or even suspended in either the passenger or drivers footwell. The most important consideration in locating the unit is to optimise the smoke dispersion.
In standby the unit draws no current whatsoever. The main feature of the system is that, on activation, it reaches operating temperature in less than three seconds and then immediately produces impressive volumes of smoke.
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The small size (154mm in length x 43mm in height x 60mm in depth) allows it to be housed far more easily in small spaces such as under car seats or even suspended in either the passenger or drivers footwell. The most important consideration in locating the unit is to optimise the smoke dispersion.
In standby the unit draws no current whatsoever. The main feature of the system is that, on activation, it reaches operating temperature in less than three seconds and then immediately produces impressive volumes of smoke.
"
http://www.smokemachines.net/buy-car...-systems.shtml
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The only problem with the smoke thing is the fact that everyones set off theyre own alarm at some time. What about something similar to onstar that would call the cops with the location of your car if the alarm went off.
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Actually Onstar already can track your vehicle if it is stolen. If you report it stolen then the cops can find it on there systems and find the location of the vehicle. So Onstar is a pretty cool alarm/guidance system.
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I guess it depends on who steals your car. joy riders or a chop shop.
I can see the cops now tracking the onstar info and all they find is an empty steel shell sitting on blocks and the onstar box flashing in the gutted dash.
I have no idea what that is in US money. Haven't done it yet but Ebay or a music pawn shops would be a good place to find an used 12v fog machine.
I can see the cops now tracking the onstar info and all they find is an empty steel shell sitting on blocks and the onstar box flashing in the gutted dash.
I have no idea what that is in US money. Haven't done it yet but Ebay or a music pawn shops would be a good place to find an used 12v fog machine.
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Thats true but ussually people find that their car is stolen within the next half hour so they can call the cops in time for them to track it and hopefully the theifs havent started chopping the car up. Plus you could have the theives pay for the damages.
Thank *** i never had to deal with anyone breaking into my cars, knock on wood, But i know if a theif wants in a car, he'll get in, and if hes held up by an alarm, most likely he'll cause more damage. I have LoJack in my '01 SS but i dont have much faith in it... I live 15 min from NYC, if my car gets jacked, it'll be in the city and chopped within an hour and the cops will only recover a shell with the lojack still attached. If you wanna prevent radio theft, perhaps look into those "hidden" radios they sell for hot rods and customs. They hide the main radio control box and just have a remote and small disply screen. I figure if the theif cant see the radio why would he wanna try to break in for it. Also if you have a system in the back hatch area, Use the cargo shade alot, and tint the rear window about %5. Most of the time, thieves walk by cars to plan how theyll pull a radio or such and limiting their veiw is the most effective. My friend had a motion detector in his car and we'd always throw stuff into his car through his ttops just to bother him, but thats another idea, just not sure who makes them now....and for a last resort you could always get some capacitors and wire up a nice little eclectric charge if anyone touches the radio trim plate
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Yes this is a good idea bu you can be sued if anyone gets hurt; by law of course. So although it would be a good defense mechanism, it could be really dangerous if something goes wrong.
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