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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:02 AM
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Push Button Start & Other Questions...

What I have and plan to do...

I do not want to use a key to unlock wheel, or start the car.

I got the ECM / VATs covered....

Will removing the key cylinder solve the problem of the wheel locking?

Can I bypass the ignition switch at the bottom of the column?

I will have an alarm remote start (1 way of starting it)

The other method, I want to use a on / off button (to activate ignition) which powers a keypad, if you enter the right code, it allows access to start the car via 2dn momentary button (starter)... The keypad is a DEI Alarm accessory.

Here is a pic...

the top left red button would be for ignition, which would turn on the keypad to the right... if correct code is entered, then it allows you to use the big red button on the right to start the engine... (2 white switches are for windows, red and green for disco lights, smoke, etc

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Any advice or notes would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks,

Rafael
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:11 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

which button is for "turbo boost"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arL04K3HLMw
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:12 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

i would entirely remove the locking mechanism from the column.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:25 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

The turbo boost button is elsewhere

Locking Mechanism, the key cylinder, does that include the ignition switch at the bottom?

thank,

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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:32 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

you have to remove the lock that engages the lock plate. I would replace the ignition switch with an 80amp relay.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Originally Posted by luvofjah
Can I bypass the ignition switch at the bottom of the column?

The other method, I want to use a on / off button (to activate ignition) which powers a keypad, if you enter the right code,
You will need to remove all the wires that go to Ign switch and rewire them through your switch panel ( or pref relays )
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 05:28 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

To remove the locking function of the wheel, you need to remove either the lock plate or the lock pin. Both are located in the column. The lock plate is the easier of the 2 to remove since you have to take it out to get the pin out, IIRC. I would still remove the key cylinder and smooth the column where it was and paint over it.

As for the pushbutton start, all the wires you need are at the bottom of the column. Use relays to make the connections, control the relays from your buttons.

Also, make sure you wire in a cutoff relay that shuts off whichever button you are using to actually engage the starter. That way if the button is accidentally pressed while the engine is running so you don't damage your starter or flexplate.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:25 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Thats so knight rider its not even funny why dont you just buy the dash that goes with? haha
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 10:18 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Originally Posted by Red 87 GTA
Thats so knight rider its not even funny why dont you just buy the dash that goes with? haha
Last I heard, he IS doing a Knight Rider conversion.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:29 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

AFAIK the lock plate needs to be in place to hold other stuff in. Best bet would be to remove the pin that holds into the slots in the plate.. OR you can modify the lockplate and remove the teeth from it and re-install it and everything will work the way it should without locking the wheel.

Is that a 'thug bug'? I have always likes the keypad starters.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:37 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Hey Bradley, It's Rafael... I bought a few things from you...

Yes it's Kitt... what gave it away, the black T top with turbo cast wheels and caps?

thanks all for your help...

Rafael
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 09:45 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

the only thing you need is that angry British guy telling you what to do and your gold. haha
i love seeing kitt replicas i think they are so cool
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

William Daniels is actually from New York!

Yup, I already have the dash too

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/242114...ntiac-firebird
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:00 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Originally Posted by luvofjah
Hey Bradley, It's Rafael... I bought a few things from you...

Yes it's Kitt... what gave it away, the black T top with turbo cast wheels and caps?

thanks all for your help...

Rafael
Yeah, I remember ya, how goes it? I knew you were doing a knight rider replica, lol. I am actually thinking of getting the KITT bumper on my car when I get it painted, because I would need a new bumper anyway.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:10 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Yeah, I sold my notchback yesterday... gonna use that rear window I bought from you... looking for a rear window without the 3rd brake light.. or If I can remove it and the stuff it has on the glass too....
Raf
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 12:28 PM
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Re: Push Button Start & Other Questions...

Oh, you finally got the notch sold? Cool, should net you some money for your project, lol. I think if you remove the third brake like, isnt there 2 holes in the glass where it mounts? I'm not sure, but why don't you want a third brake light?
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