http://www.falconerengines.com/prod04.htm

 

holy ***. that thing is too much.

i am thinking that would be cool to put in a Camaro, but imagine putting it in a Chevette......

 

If my friend had the cash...he would seriously drop it into his 86 (I think it's an 86) Sentra...

I told him if he ever beat my Firebird with his Sentra...I would give him the pink slip without question...

 

how much does that thing cost? I bet it'd make for a badass T-56/V12 combo in a second gen.

 

Idid that calcutaions, with a T-56 and the redline of the v12 @ 5200, and a 3.02 rear that's 203mph!!!!!!!!! DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE ENGINES!! I am going to have a bit of money this summer, and cant think of a better way to spend it. Any info would help, THANKS.



Oh yea I already e-mailed them

 

 

I only have one thing to say about that... :lala:


Tim:rockon:

 

The falconer V-12 has been around since third gens were still being produced. Rumor has it GM considered them for a brief period as a option for fullsize trucks but abandoned the idea. I do recall seeing pics of one in Ryan Falconer's personal fullsize chevy back in the early 90's.

For only $25,000 you can have one too.

 

:hail: will that even fit in a thirdgen? I hope so!!!

 

prolly not, but it'd be badass in a second gen!

 

I'd rather have this V12, and it's a 350 too

http://www.ferrari.com/cgi-bin/fworl...E&listindex=2&

 

well...I'd rather have this car:

 

why? half the horses, a quarter the torque and three times the price!

 

Don't forget this is almost half the size of the falconer, if it was a 600ci then it would end up having around 880hp and 742 ft-lb probably more, plus this way you could tell people you got a 350, and they'd never susupect it was a V12, and since when was 515 half of 700?

also for some reason that link goes to the Enzo, when it should go to the 575M Marenello

the correct stats:

No. of cylinders 65° V12
Bore & stroke 89x77 mm / 3.46 x 2.95 in
Unit displacement 79 cc / 29.2 cu. in.
Displacement 5,748 cc / 350.7 cu. in.
Compression ratio 11:1
Maximum power 379 kW (515 bhp) at7,250 rpm
Maximum torque 588,6 Nm (433.7 ft lbs) at 5,250 rpm

 

I dunno, a falconer only weighs 522 lbs, that's lighter than most small blocks.

 

the Ferrari engine is also made of aluminum not sure about the total weight of it though

A quote from the ferrari homepage

"The 12 cylinder engine in the 575M Maranello, maintains the 65 degree V angle, four overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, the light alloy block, heads and oil tank and the dry sump lubrication system, with two scavenge pumps and one sender pump, separate reservoir and individual radiators. The objectives fixed for the new V12 engine in the 575M Maranello were to increase both the power curve as well as the torque. It now has a maximum power output of 515 CV (379 Kw) at 7250 rpm and maximum torque of 60 Kgm at 5250 rpm (588.6 Nm,) with an increase in mid-range torque of 1.5 Kgm between 1000 and 4000 rpm, when compared to the previous engine fitted to the 550 Maranello. These increases in performance across the board have been achieved through a variety of modifications applied to the 12 cylinder. In particular these are an increase in capacity, a higher compression ratio, new fluid dynamics for the intakes and more general changes aimed at improving the efficiency and the management system of the power unit. "

Does the Falconer have that much technology in it? Plus this would be more for road racing not draging which I like better and I would think the Flaconer would be better for drag racing if you dared to get that engine dirty must be a PITA to keep it looking that good

 

Is that power rated in Kilowatts? :sillylol:

 

I don't know. I love pasta rockets... but I think I'd still prefer the Falconer...

For an American Muscle car, you've got to have the raw horsepower...screw the efficiency of those little Ferrari V12s :-D


Shoe on the other foot...I'd never put the Falconer in a Testerosa...

 

If I were to put the falconer in my third gen, what kind of things do you think I would have to do to get it to fit???? I have e-mailed the guy a few times, but I think I will call him later today to get some length, width kinda info. Anywho any info on what kind of stuff you guys think I would have to do to get one to fit would be nice.



Oh yea, what does :lala: mean scranywhiteguy?

 

The Falconer was put into a Vette, back when the engine first came out. This was shortly after the Viper came out, and it would be safe to assume that somebody was pi$sed that America's Greatest Sportscar now had 2 less cyls than it's closest competitor.

 

you'd need about 39-40 inches of longitudal free space in the engine bay. to fit the 36.5 inch block, accesories, and the radiator. that means either punching in the firewall, or removing the hood latch mechanism and setting up a hood with pins. either way, the swap would prolly be easier with a second gen or C3 cause they have a lot of space up front. width is the same as a standard 350.

 

Thanks, are those exact numbers on the v12. I have a third gen that I have soent a lot of money on, so it would be in that car. On the page it says it fits all GM motor mounts (8.8 inc further forward) I guess what they mean by that is it will stick out 8.8inc more in the front that a standard v8. I think I will look my car over, but it does not seem to be that much of a problem, I mean the car has a huge nose on it. But would the 8.8inc forward change the car's CG and the handling (the engine only weighs around 500lbs). Well just rying to get a idea before I break out the check book. Any further input?

 

skrew the thirdgen... drop that beast into a custom rod!!

 

My grandpa has an old Ford Model T... how's that sound?

Model-T V12 ... has a certain ring...

 

My uncle has a 1916 T in the garage right now, I see it almost every day. With the 4 cylinder engine and the razo head the car can go faster than it's engeneering allows it to go. In other workd to go above 60 in that wirey wooden framed car is just plain stupid. I was in it once at about 55mph and I contliplated bailing. Anywho about my question, are those numbers right, would it change the center of gravity, and is the V-12 taller than the Camaro V-8????

 

lol...good point.

I've never riden in the T, so I guess I couldn't have really thought of that

 

Judging by the way it looks, it appears to be a SBC with 4 extra cylinders.
Attaching engines together is nothing new. Honda, in the mid 60's, put together 6 v-twin Honda bike engines, to make a V-12 for their Formula 1 car. Quite the engine, too.

 

Is the crankshaft a single, solid assembly then? Or two parts?

 

This is correct. GM put the motor into a C4 which had to be lengthened about 5-7 inches up front for it to fit. The engineers called the car Conan. The front end is huge.

 

Its a single crankshaft... basically its a 'chevy style' block but with 4 extra cylinders, basically what NTChrist said. its a bit longer than a sbc... it would be badass in a custom kitcar rod... like a 23t or something

 

it's quite a bit longer than a 350, but the same height and surprisingly weight! I saw the falconer in that vette...if it can fit snug in a C4 engine bay I bet a third gen would accomodate it well.

 

Remember though, the engine bay had been extended.

 

Lets put it in a Suburban...
Can you say 'sleeper' ??:lala:

 

what about a chevelle, roadrunner, or a bonneville ultimate sleeper

 

Here's that corvette.

 

And another

 

Jprevost, at what website did you find the pictures ? this car has the same rims as I bought of ebay. I need more info about it .

thanks

 

***** in pants* :lala:

I WANT It !! lol

 

I can't remember where I found those pictures but I think it was posted somewhere on this forum. There are a few more pictures at http://acmacm.chez.tiscali.fr/dtt/ct9004.html but they have different wheels on that one.
http://www.corvette.nl/specials/zr1v12.html

 

if one had enough money to put that into a third gen one would be better off spending it on a fully built twin-turbo 4th gen that would blow any v-12 hooptie off the road and be WAYYYY easier to do, would be more reliable, cheaper, handle better, and be easer to pass off as stock (ie SLEEPER)

 

You must be mistaken, PERFORMANCE
Running 92 Octane Unleaded Gas:
-650 HP AT 5200 RPM
-560 FT.LB. TORQUE AT 1500 RPM
-750 FT.LB. TORQUE AT 4500 RPM

that's standard and only weighs 500lbs

this is ther "high" model
PERFORMANCE
Running Race Gas:
- 1100 HP AT 6500-7000 RPM NORMALLY ASPIRATED
- 1200-1600 HP SUPERCHARGED OR TURBOCHARGED
Now you were saying........
Besides I like the Falconer, and I like having a 12 which is the reason I probably am getting one towards the end of summer, but who knows. One thing is for sure I would never buy a 4th gen twin turbo over this. One is art one is...not

 

Are they not around $50,000?

 

alright.. i never wanted to hurt you guys in this way.. got love for the camaro.. rebuilding a 350 to put in one right now.. .. but.. i know a CRX that could kick my ***.. and here is the link to prove it. also. this would be about what you would have to do to get the falconer to fit in your thirdgen
WOW.. can you say MOD . DONT GET ME WRONG.. i HATE hondas with all the hate i have.. but this would be one mean CRX... lol..

 

Wow! I can't help having respect for that!



That would make my little Firebird wet herself... In more ways than one...

 

lol.. like i said.. that thing would kick all of our ***'s.. unless we got the v12.. rofl.. uhh ohh.. some one better not put one of those in the crx.. ROFL

 

am i missing something here but i see no driveshaft on that CRX

 

yea there is one.. the ran grooved out the underneath so the drive shaft would sit up in .. it's the way the engine and the rear end are angeld in there they have to do that.. lol

 

these people have issues

 

I wonder what kind of G forces that CRX could handle on the skidpad.
At least they got something right; to go fast you need to dump the engine that doesn't displace jack and get something that can breath fire.

 

My guess: .30 ???

I bet that thing would break loose on the slightest corners man...