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Damn man, you defend the LS1 almost as if your the one who spent the time developing it. I agree with the 11's, but dipping in the 9's with stock bottom ends? 
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Originally posted by unknown_host
If you care about gas mileage and emmissions then buy a honda.
I care about the first two...power and emissions. Can't drive it on the street where I live unless it passes inspection, and frankly I like clean air. The great fuel economy is just a bonus.Originally posted by unknown_host
If you care about gas mileage and emmissions then buy a honda.
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Originally posted by unknown_host
You can argue that the LS1 motor is a better all around platform, but dont argue that it cheaper hp/$. [/B]
I don't argue, just stating the facts which neither you nor anyone else here in the braintrust has been able to refute with factual data. This is how it works after grade school, so get ready.Originally posted by unknown_host
You can argue that the LS1 motor is a better all around platform, but dont argue that it cheaper hp/$. [/B]
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Originally posted by pasky
Damn man, you defend the LS1 almost as if your the one who spent the time developing it. I agree with the 11's, but dipping in the 9's with stock bottom ends?
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showth...ock+bottom+endOriginally posted by pasky
Damn man, you defend the LS1 almost as if your the one who spent the time developing it. I agree with the 11's, but dipping in the 9's with stock bottom ends?
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showth...ock+bottom+end
eat your sodding words
once again, just cause you don't "believe" something, doesn't mean it's not true
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Dude, he is running two blowers, wtf. Its not hard to get any 350 in the 9's with two blowers on it, sorry should have clarified, im thinking N/A here.
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Originally posted by zerotosixtyV8
you are the dumbest person alive or at least the most ignorant.
1) there are LS1s running 9s on stock bottom ends, been well known. several run 10s, it doesn't take much.
2) any HCIE LS1 would be running low 11s in the heavier 4th gen with some good tires and a stall.
3) procharged stock L98s dip into the 12s, LT1s mid 12s, slapping a blower on any stock motor will never give you maximum results, you have to build the motor for a blower or turbo.
4) your 406 with 18 degree heads would STILL get slapped around by sprayed or HCIE LS1s who could drive to the race, drive back, drive everywhere, with 20+ mpg, 500 RWHP, and so on while you trailer your 406 18 degree motor back and forth to race sites cause it runs on race gas or only gets 5 mpg. they'd also be doing this with 346ci displacement. 18 degree heads flow junk compared to ported LS1 heads. then you have 5.3L truck heads, flow better (and are cheaper), then LS6 heads, flow even better, and C5R heads, even better. LS1 heads are based on SB2 heads.
5) LS1, new technology showing up the old, it's better in more ways than one. welcome to reality mate, LS1s are far better motors than Gen I, just cause they cost more doesn't mean dick. you can do 400 RWHP with bolt ons and tuning which is plenty cheap. I don't know what kind of LS1s you've got running around where you live, but here they are damned near the kings of the street
You sir are on ****ing crack. Quit posting misinformation about the LS1. I've got a *** damn LS1 sitting in my ****ing driveway with a whole new top end. I've also got a cool stroker project going on. I installed every single last nut and bolt and know that engine better than anyone, especially you. I've also got flow bench results from my ported heads you say will outflow any gen 1 head out there. Bull ****ing ****. You know nothing about LS1's. If you wanted factual data here you go. Here are my ACTUAL flow #'s.Originally posted by zerotosixtyV8
you are the dumbest person alive or at least the most ignorant.
1) there are LS1s running 9s on stock bottom ends, been well known. several run 10s, it doesn't take much.
2) any HCIE LS1 would be running low 11s in the heavier 4th gen with some good tires and a stall.
3) procharged stock L98s dip into the 12s, LT1s mid 12s, slapping a blower on any stock motor will never give you maximum results, you have to build the motor for a blower or turbo.
4) your 406 with 18 degree heads would STILL get slapped around by sprayed or HCIE LS1s who could drive to the race, drive back, drive everywhere, with 20+ mpg, 500 RWHP, and so on while you trailer your 406 18 degree motor back and forth to race sites cause it runs on race gas or only gets 5 mpg. they'd also be doing this with 346ci displacement. 18 degree heads flow junk compared to ported LS1 heads. then you have 5.3L truck heads, flow better (and are cheaper), then LS6 heads, flow even better, and C5R heads, even better. LS1 heads are based on SB2 heads.
5) LS1, new technology showing up the old, it's better in more ways than one. welcome to reality mate, LS1s are far better motors than Gen I, just cause they cost more doesn't mean dick. you can do 400 RWHP with bolt ons and tuning which is plenty cheap. I don't know what kind of LS1s you've got running around where you live, but here they are damned near the kings of the street
LIFT INTAKE EXHAUST
200 151 112
300 207 167
400 256 198
450 275 208
500 284 217
550 293 221
600 296 222
That my friend is REAL information, not some fantasy LS1 land you are obviously in. I know of plenty of gen 1 heads that can not only match, but whoop some *** on those #'s. I know the ins and outs of both engines being discusses and the LS1 is nowhere as superior as you make it out to be. Quit your **** talkin and shut up. As far as a stock bottom end 346 LS1 whooping up on a 400+ cube gen 1 you are seriously smoking crack. Pull your head out of your *** and use some common sense. 400 rwhp with bolt ons is also
. I might believe 350, but no way in hell is a stock heads/cam ls1 going to come close to 400 rwhp. Again, come back to reality. As for cheap, if you think parts for this motor costing 3 times as much as a gen 1 then yeah, they're cheap alright. I know all too well about that. Please just stop your posting now because you do not have a clue about these engines. Supreme Member
Also, as far as stock bottom end LS1's running 9's that is a stupid arguement. In the same damn post there was a stock bottom end LT1 running 9's as well, which has an almost identical bottom end as the gen 1's. Please try not to be so ignorant.
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Originally posted by kevinc
The point earlier was avoiding the LS1 because you could make same/more hp cheaper...the cost gap closes pretty quickly doesn't it?
Unless someone is going to post their success story with a non-LS1 smallblock Chevy making 400+ hp at the wheels while getting 25+ MPG and passing IM-240 emission testing and having spent less than $4000 or so, we're not really accomplishing much here.
No stock ls1 in history has ever made 400+ rwhp. In order to do that you need bolt ons plus a huge cam, that's not very streetable, or a mild cam and heads which will put you way over the $4,000 mark. Also, what is all this talk about 18 degree heads? Since when do you need 18 degree heads to make a crapload of power with a gen 1 block? You want an LS1 beater, there are plenty of gen 1 sbc engines out there that can and are doing it. I love my LS1's, but *** knows the gen 1 has a ton of potential as well and it's cheaper too.Originally posted by kevinc
The point earlier was avoiding the LS1 because you could make same/more hp cheaper...the cost gap closes pretty quickly doesn't it?
Unless someone is going to post their success story with a non-LS1 smallblock Chevy making 400+ hp at the wheels while getting 25+ MPG and passing IM-240 emission testing and having spent less than $4000 or so, we're not really accomplishing much here.
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Originally posted by 25THRSS
No stock ls1 in history has ever made 400+ rwhp. In order to do that you need bolt ons plus a huge cam, that's not very streetable, or a mild cam and heads which will put you way over the $4,000 mark. Also, what is all this talk about 18 degree heads? Since when do you need 18 degree heads to make a crapload of power with a gen 1 block? You want an LS1 beater, there are plenty of gen 1 sbc engines out there that can and are doing it. I love my LS1's, but *** knows the gen 1 has a ton of potential as well and it's cheaper too.
I didn't bring 18deg heads into this, so I don't know why they're needed. Just pointed out that the whole notion of underspending *AND* outperforming an LS1 while still being emission-legal is a tough project.Originally posted by 25THRSS
No stock ls1 in history has ever made 400+ rwhp. In order to do that you need bolt ons plus a huge cam, that's not very streetable, or a mild cam and heads which will put you way over the $4,000 mark. Also, what is all this talk about 18 degree heads? Since when do you need 18 degree heads to make a crapload of power with a gen 1 block? You want an LS1 beater, there are plenty of gen 1 sbc engines out there that can and are doing it. I love my LS1's, but *** knows the gen 1 has a ton of potential as well and it's cheaper too.
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Originally posted by pasky
Dude, he is running two blowers, wtf. Its not hard to get any 350 in the 9's with two blowers on it, sorry should have clarified, im thinking N/A here.
stock bottom end is stock bottom end.Originally posted by pasky
Dude, he is running two blowers, wtf. Its not hard to get any 350 in the 9's with two blowers on it, sorry should have clarified, im thinking N/A here.
25thRSS, get stuffed. just because your lame *** can't do anything with an LS1 doesn't mean dick. you're a failure. you probably don't even know that an LS1 is putting 290-300 at the wheels STOCK or that they can run 12s STOCK, but you're probably happy with your 13.5 pass. you're an idiot, don't waste my time with your bull****, there are plenty of people I know doing 400 RWHP with bolt ons N/A, and plenty of people running 10s on a stock bottom end, which is something important, theyve never taken the motor out of the car and are very fast. your REAL flow numbers are pretty **** poor, they can be taken to 325 cfm with a decent port job, but you are a ****up and wouldn't know anything about that. those are stock castings anyways, and 325 cfm is FAR BETTER than all but the most EXPENSIVE and top of the line Gen 1 head. LS6 heads can flow 350-375 cfm with porting and all the LS1 aftermarket goodies flow 400+, which ONLY and SB2 head is capable of. Don't **** in my ear with your sodding bull**** and tell me it's the reality. no it's not, I know plenty of people who can prove you wrong, including myself. and a stock bottom end LS1 running 9s can EASILY KICK THE **** OUT OF ANY 406 SBC, AS WOULD ONE IN THE 10s which there are A LOT OF. you want to race some stock bottom end LS1s you PM me and come down to my neck of the woods, I can set you up with some races and you can bring whatever big inch small block or big block car you want, and even put money on it, they'll take it and send you crying home to your mom with a sore ***. As a result of your incompetence, ignorance, and failure at life, and because I can't block you since for some reason someone as ignorant as you got a moderator status, I have reported you.
I am closing this thread, it has nothing to do with motor swaps.