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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 01:39 AM
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vacum advance

do i need a vacum advance dist or can i run a cc dist i have a manual and i dont know if i need the vacum advance if i have a manual i know u need it for a auto.
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 01:40 AM
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o yea i was planning on putting a 600 cfm edelbrock non emissions but i can put the quadrajet back on a cap all the other vacum plugs. does this sound like a better idea.
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 01:46 AM
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Car: '83 Z28, '07 Charger SRT8
Engine: 454ci, 6.1 Hemi
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My L69 came stock with a 5-speed and a CC distributor.
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 02:10 AM
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The method for timing advance is independant of transmission, whether automatic or manual. Sounds to me like you are confusing vacuum secondaries (carburetor function) with the vacuum advance (timing function).

If you do use an Edelbrock carb, you will need a vacuum advance distributor. If you use the Q-jet, you will need to retain the computer controlled distributor.

You won't gain anything by swapping from the Q-jet/computer controlled distributor to an Edelbrock/vac. advance distributor combination. Also, along those lines, for street use (balance of fuel economy and power) there is no better combination than your Q-jet. If more power is what you want, look elsewhere.
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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nope i was confused because on our t350 in the elco it has a vacum line that goes to it. i think ill just keep the qjet and the dist for now the qjet was reworked to 1000cfm so it has more pwr than the edelbrock once fully opened thanks for answering my question
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by jocww
nope i was confused because on our t350 in the elco it has a vacum line that goes to it. i think ill just keep the qjet and the dist for now the qjet was reworked to 1000cfm so it has more pwr than the edelbrock once fully opened thanks for answering my question
It wont have any more power than the 600cfm in all reality. An engine can only take so much air in. If you do the math, a 350 at 6500 RPMs only "needs" 650 cfm. That is assuming 100% volumetric efficiency, not likely to be gotten. The stock Qjet is better for many reasons, but not because it will make more power, anything over a 650 isnt used on your engine anyway. The vacuum line going to the th350 is for the vacuum modulator.
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 01:08 AM
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It wont have any more power than the 600cfm in all reality. An engine can only take so much air in. If you do the math, a 350 at 6500 RPMs only "needs" 650 cfm. That is assuming 100% volumetric efficiency, not likely to be gotten. The stock Qjet is better for many reasons, but not because it will make more power, anything over a 650 isnt used on your engine anyway. The vacuum line going to the th350 is for the vacuum modulator.
I thought you were getting rid of the ECM in the other post? If that's the case you need the vacuum advance distributor to advance timing. The CC dist. is advanced by the computer.

You'll also need a non computer Q-jet carb or that Edelbrock 600.....your computer controls the MC solinoid and gets feeback on throttle position and O2 sensor readings. Without a computer, a CC Q-jet tends to idle pig rich...
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by Confuzed1
I thought you were getting rid of the ECM in the other post? If that's the case you need the vacuum advance distributor to advance timing. The CC dist. is advanced by the computer.

You'll also need a non computer Q-jet carb or that Edelbrock 600.....your computer controls the MC solinoid and gets feeback on throttle position and O2 sensor readings. Without a computer, a CC Q-jet tends to idle pig rich...
Me? My car hasnt had a computer for a long time, I was just trying to help the guy out.
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by ljnowell
It wont have any more power than the 600cfm in all reality. An engine can only take so much air in. If you do the math, a 350 at 6500 RPMs only "needs" 650 cfm. That is assuming 100% volumetric efficiency, not likely to be gotten. The stock Qjet is better for many reasons, but not because it will make more power, anything over a 650 isnt used on your engine anyway. The vacuum line going to the th350 is for the vacuum modulator.
sounds like to me ,pay back
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by gary sanders
sounds like to me ,pay back
What is BS? Do you not understand the equation of how much CFM an engine needs? Or are you just too stupid to do the math? CI x RPM /3456 will give you the rought estimate of CFM needs of an engine. for a 350 at 6500 RMPs, that comes to roughly 658 CFM.

Its not my fault you are too stupid to understand this. Perhaps you should go back to your 1 ton van with splayed mains and play there, where your BS is accepted as fact.
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by gary sanders
sounds like to me ,pay back
How is that every thing he said in the post is in fact 100% correct ....

Maybe you should learn a few things before you come into a thread to post on someone.....

Oh thats right you said you have 25 years of racing knowledge didnt you ......If this is infact true then you would know about these things then wouldnt you ..hmmmm ..I think you should go back to school for a while before you come in here and say someone else doesnt know something

And what do you mean by payback ??

Thats being kind of childish if he upset you in another thread then thats just how it is.......more than likely from your lack of knowledge he probably proved you wrong on something and put your panties in a bunch
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by ljnowell
Me? My car hasnt had a computer for a long time, I was just trying to help the guy out.
No ljnowell - I know you're trying to help him!

But if he's removing the ECM (which he didn't state in this post) A CC Q-jet won't function right. Or a CC distributor. That's all I was saying.....

BUT - if it's a non-CC Q-jet, then that's different altogether. I just think more info on what he's doing is needed here.....
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 08:26 PM
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i dont know if im gonna remove the comp or not i know im not gonna plug in half a mile of wires i was planning on only plugging in the carb and dist. and plug up all the vacum lines of the carb. will this work or no. also do any of u guys have a/c with headers. id love to see some pics. also does anybody know the color of the starter wires as when we were taking it all apart my friends didnt mark all the stuff to much of a rush thanks. and yes i know bigger isnt always better but i was just messing with the qjet i just put new jets and stuff on it nothing major
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by jocww
i dont know if im gonna remove the comp or not i know im not gonna plug in half a mile of wires i was planning on only plugging in the carb and dist. and plug up all the vacum lines of the carb. will this work or no. also do any of u guys have a/c with headers. id love to see some pics. also does anybody know the color of the starter wires as when we were taking it all apart my friends didnt mark all the stuff to much of a rush thanks. and yes i know bigger isnt always better but i was just messing with the qjet i just put new jets and stuff on it nothing major
In order for the carb to work right, you need some of those other wires. If you are going to stay CC, which is a good idea, hook it all back up. New jets dont increase the CFM rating of a carb at all, just the amount of fuel. If you are running a th350 like you said above, you will need the vacuum line for it.
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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 11:48 PM
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no im running a t5 and all those vacum lines yuck and i dont have the o2 from the bank1 or 2 only from the cat which i dont think is gonna be hooked up cuz i dont have outputs for it on my headers.
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 12:25 AM
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If you arent hooking up any O2 sensors, you arent using a cat, you may as well just ditch it all and go with the Non CC setup. I dont say that very often, because it is far superior. However, if you are going to nueter its system by not hooking it all up, you may as well not use any of it.
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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i just need it to run it doesnt have to run well get me to skool and back i have the elco for fun. im just wondering if it will run it doesnt have to perform well just get me from point a to point b till spring when i can redo the spark management
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