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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 12:14 PM
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Hello all,
I just finished building my motor. Do you use RTV, indian head or something when you install the rear cam freezeout plug? also,....should i prime the oil pump with white lithium grease? thanks

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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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Vaseline only in the oil pump for priming. White lithium and grease may plug the oil filter on intial start up. Use a tacky gasket sealer like indian head on the plug.
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Old Feb 20, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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vaseline, really? I got whit lithium that seems pretty smooth....are you sure? thanks
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Old Feb 21, 2005 | 06:06 AM
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I only build engines everyday, and i am only master ASE certified... use white lithium if ya want, i sure as hell wouldnt chance it over a 1 dollar jar of vaseline.
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Old Feb 21, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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i didn't know you were ASE and that you built motors daily....my freind said lithium and he is a mechanic too. just wanted other opinions.....do you pack the whole pump from the pickup part like he said? , or open it and pack the gears? i thought the whole pump. he also said lithium or vaseline is fine.

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Old Feb 21, 2005 | 05:31 PM
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I pull the back cover off the pump (the four bolts) and pack the gears all the way to the top. Make sure there isnt any voids in the vaseline. I never pack the pick up tube, id be affraid of it becoming clogged.
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Old Feb 21, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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ok,...i'll do that...but as far as air bubbles. that'll be tough to be sure that there are no pockets. should i pull the gears out? oh BTW, what is the intake manifold torque pattern, thanks -J
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
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Priming the oil pump is easy enough to do, and doesn't put non-engine lube in the mix.

Most any shop manual that covers SBCs will have the torque pattern in it. Do you not have a shop manual?
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 02:22 PM
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I've been using the net and the "how to rebuild sbc" book....i guess it may be in there,...jsut didn't see it...i built this whole motor by talking to mechanics and the net and that book....bluprinted and all. for instance....i got the head torque pattern off of like wrenchhead .com or something. well whatever, if someone has i pleas post it! thanks
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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It isn't that hard. Start with one of the center bolts. Move to the same bolt on the other side. Then to the other of the center bolts on that side. Then back to the other side. Continue in a circle until you get to the inner of the two bolts on the corner, and do both corner bolts before moving to the next corner. Then redo everything to the final torque.
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 02:53 PM
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easy there, i never said it was hard. just needed the info...thanks for the info!
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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Basic rule of thumb for toqueing just about anything down is inside to outside.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 01:11 PM
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easy there, i never said it was hard.
Brain fade while typing. What I intended to say is, it isn't that hard to remember.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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More questions on oil pump priming here. Is it safe to use bearing lube? I got this stuff, federal mugal bearing lube, its like a green sticky honey, stuff worked great for my crank and cylinder bores. Do you apply this around the pick up tube or where? Thanks.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 02:48 PM
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I would be afriad of it's properties. It may be too harsh and may not be the same chemical base as oil and other engine assemble lubes. I would still say white lithium or vaseline. definately something. (this is based on who i've talked to lately)
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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Just curious since this stuff states it dissolves in oil. To be on the safe side since I havn't put my oil pan on, what is the proper way to install a oil pump? Treat my like a fool. From putting it on, pick up tube and priming. Do not want to get this wrong, thanks.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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well, if it dissolves in oil,...then it's probably okay,...however, why not just use vaseline? As far as the oil pump, install the oil pump driveshaft w/a metal collar if it doesn't have one (sometimes they have crappy plasitic ones). Then, install the pump with one nut torqued to the manufacturer's spec. there areen't any gaskets or anything..I think you torque it to about 65-70 ft lbs (but check online). Then with modeling clay, clearance the pickup to the oil pan, to ensure that it's not touching the pan or that it's not too far away from the bottom. you can bend the pickup tube to make it fit if it's just a little off. If it's the same pump as before, it should be okay. That's it. then just install the pan.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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Only torque down one nut?

Yea, mine has a crappy plastic piece that broke when takign it out.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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there is only one nut, and two stubs....does yours have more,...mine is an older block.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:56 PM
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Two on mine I believe.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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hmmn....i guess L98's have 2 then? are you sure????/ well it may not be 65-70 ft/lbs then....probably less...i don't know,...good luck.
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