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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 09:43 AM
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swap in a 302

If I have a 4 inch bore block ('90 350) and I put in an L99 crank with rods then I get a 302.

Has anyone done this (from this board) before?

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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 06:37 PM
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It will be same as any other small block swap. I think those little 302 motors are cool. If only GM would have left 4" bores on all motors the 305 might have been more of a performer. What in gods name possessed GM to use a 3.736" bore anyways . Good Luck with your swap.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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if GM kept 4" bore in all their motors, then the 305 would be a 350
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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But the 305/350 of the 80's were used like a low-performance / high-performance option. The 4" bore was available on the 302/327/350 just used different strokes so they could have used one block and saved cost not having to produce multiple blocks. They should of just used the 302 or 327 and then the 350 for high-performance then at least us lower performance guys would had a motor that would have responded better to mods. But it’s a lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda but we 305 guys are just stuck with a 3.763 bore o well.

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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by zNucleaRz
The 4" bore was available on the 302/327/350 just used different strokes so they could have used one block and saved cost not having to produce multiple blocks.
Not exactly. The 302 was a rules-limited "production" engine. The 4" bore was a good choice, regardless of what else they were using it for.

The 307 was closer to "use what we have" thinking.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by zNucleaRz
But the 305/350 of the 80's were used like a low-performance / high-performance option. The 4" bore was available on the 302/327/350 just used different strokes so they could have used one block and saved cost not having to produce multiple blocks. They should of just used the 302 or 327 and then the 350 for high-performance then at least us lower performance guys would had a motor that would have responded better to mods. But it’s a lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda but we 305 guys are just stuck with a 3.763 bore o well.

62-68 327 2-bolt small journal
67-68 302 4-bolt small journal
69-(vary) 327/350 2(327 was 2bolt only) and 4 bolt large journal

so, technially, there were three different blocks used
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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No small journal 4-bolts.

'69 302 used the same block as the 327 & 350.

You could go through the same exercise with cranks.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 08:35 AM
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Of course, none of the responses yet have anything to do with the originator's thread question, which in essence is, "Has anyone (from this board)put an L99 crank in a 350 block to make a 302?"

I think the answer to that is, "Yes," but without doing a , which the originator is fully capable of doing, I couldn't say for sure.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by five7kid
... I think the answer to that is, "Yes," but without doing a , which the originator is fully capable of doing, I couldn't say for sure.
I am enjoying the debate

will search later
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by five7kid
No small journal 4-bolts.

'69 302 used the same block as the 327 & 350.

You could go through the same exercise with cranks.
My mistake, just called my engine guy..

yah, i forgot to mention the 302/327/350 were the same block in '69


And I started a thread about this over a year ago...

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...&highlight=302
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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One thing I should bring up I hope your not going to use a stock TBI or TPI unit a 302 likes to rev very high to make power.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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Planned on using a modified TPI, Accel/AS&M combo.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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better be a tpi than can breathe wonderfully into the 7000-8000 range
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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how you going to get a two piece seal crank into a later block LOLOL
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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where did he say he was using a later block?
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 12:54 AM
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The L99 crank is the same as an LT1 crank, but with a 3.00 stroke instead of a 3.48 stroke.

I know that for sure, but I'll let someone else that knows more say if that crank will work in a Gen 1 block. I *think* it will, but I don't know for sure.
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 04:06 AM
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The crank will fit but keep in mind that the LT1 and L99 do not have a keyway on the crank snout for the damper. I can't remember whether the hole in the snout is the same thread as the gen I's. If you can find a machine shop that will help you out this would make a cool build. I am addicted to revs. My other project car is powered by a b18.

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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by snm92rs
The crank will fit but keep in mind that the LT1 and L99 do not have a keyway on the crank snout for the damper. I can't remember whether the hole in the snout is the same thread as the gen I's. If you can find a machine shop that will help you out this would make a cool build. I am addicted to revs. My other project car is powered by a b18.
They do have the keyway, it is the hub on them that is not slotted for the keyway.
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jproz1167
how you going to get a two piece seal crank into a later block LOLOL
...10051118?
2pc rear main seal to 1pc adapter
im pretty sure that would do the trick
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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Do it and run a stealth ram! Find out how well it breathes up there... i know theyr still pulling @ 6000 rpms....
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