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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 08:26 PM
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305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

hope this hasn't been posted before. On the 383 swap on my 92 rs, I am using the pulley brackets from the 305. But now it looks like my serpentine belt is much too short. Even if I remove the smog pump pulley it is still too short. What size belt do I need?
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 09:42 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

You could try a few belts for 350s and see if that works for you, if you have some good relations with a parts store you could test fit a few belts. And this will sound stupid but make sure you've got your belt routed right. I've had a time with serpentine belts before that's why I say that
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 10:28 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

There should be no difference from 305 to 383 for the accessories. Are you sure you bolted them up in the correct spot when removed from the 305?
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 11:12 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

Originally Posted by tealman92
There should be no difference from 305 to 383 for the accessories. Are you sure you bolted them up in the correct spot when removed from the 305?
I agree. there shouldn't be any difference.

for the belt, any good part store should just be able to measure the width and length and style and match you for what ever you need. so if you need it x amount shorter...... it should be a breeze... if not, your at the wrong part store. I friggen hate when you go to a part store now and they ask for a vin# ridiculous. what a joke.

anyways, make sure the belt is on the right way... if the pulley is flat, the back of the belt rides there. if the pulley has grooves, the inside of the belt rides there.
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Old Oct 4, 2015 | 08:04 AM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

Originally Posted by 3rd gen money
... my 92 rs, ...serpentine belt is much too short.
There is a "long" belt routing and a "short" one. The 89-92 use the "short" routing with a 94.5" belt, and I suspect you installed the belt for the longer 98" belt... Try installing using the later method, and I bet it works. Afterall, the belt worked before.

Here I posted this:
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There's two ways to route the belt... short vs long. Belt lengths from AdvanceAutoParts

98.03" = Air - crank - water pump - power steering (88), or...
94.50" = Air - water pump - crank - power steering (89-92) as see in the previous pictures.

Thank to SEThirdGen for the diagrams (88 vs 89-92):
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Old Oct 4, 2015 | 09:59 AM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

If you route it wrong the water pump will spin the wrong way.
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Old Oct 4, 2015 | 12:43 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

Originally Posted by tealman92
If you route it wrong the water pump will spin the wrong way.
Wrong.
- A V-belt water pump turns the same direction as the crank, and is a "normal" rotation pump.
- Both serpentine belt routings turn the water pump the same way, which is opposite of the crank, and is called a "reverse rotation" pump. The only difference in the routings is the length of belt.
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Old Oct 4, 2015 | 12:56 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

Originally Posted by tealman92
If you route it wrong the water pump will spin the wrong way.
if you have a flat pulley, then the flat part of the belt rides against it... if it has grooves, the grooved side rides against it... as long as you do this, it will turn the proper direction regardless of what kind of screwy belt routing scheme you come up with..
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Old Oct 4, 2015 | 06:32 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

First, verify belt routing.
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Old Oct 5, 2015 | 08:31 PM
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Re: 305 to 383 serpentine belt woes

Thanks all. I was getting really frustrated trying to put on a short belt in the long belt pattern. I'll be saving that picture.
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