has anyone had and any expirence with the hookers 2210

Super Comp Headers
1982-92 Camaro/Firebird SBC 265-400
1-3/4" x 28" Primary Tubes
3" Collector
High Temp Black Paint
there about 430 bucks at jegs, and i was wondering some specs when you order them. they can come with an o2 aplications, but do they come with a full kit (gasket, bolts etc). i have also head they are a pain to put in

 

It's not very hard to install an O2 sensor bung for installing the sensor if you are wanting that. Any muffler shop should carry the bungs that you can buy. I have heard good thing about those headers and will be switching to a set soon. I have the hedman 1 5/8 headers and they have been awsome but I just want a larger set to make a little more top end.

 

the only problem with these are they are so much work to put in, and are very costly. its like a grand by the time your done. and i dont think you can put dual exhaust. i feel edelbroakcs are the best. i was reaserching this site more, and the edelbrocks have the ebst becasue they still carry the dual cat setup, and the headers are longer then dhorties, but smaller then long tubes. i dunno, you can correct me if im wrong, plz do i want to ehar opinions.

 

I have 2210s and dual dumps. If you wanna go over the axle you can. There is a HUGE sticky with TONS of pics at the top of the exhaust page. 2210s are going to make the most power. I had edelcraps, and they suck. I sold them. They are ok for a stockish kinda car, but if you are making any real power, then they suck. The collectors are crap.

Go to my site and you can see tons of pics of my exhaust. I will be switching over to a 4" Y-pipe and doing a huge single pipe. Much easier to deal with and plenty of dyno sheets on here have PROVEN that duals are just for the "wow" factor and do not help at all. They only hurt your wallet and your ground clearance.

Here is a taste of what is on my car, and my CD site.

Oh also, as for installing them. I have a tubular K-member so it took my about 20 minutes.





I also have more issues than you guys cuz I have the spohn x-member and a T-56. So if anyone says you can't do it, you can do whatever you wanna do to these cars. Just takes some thinking and believing you can.

 

I would agree that a big single will make as much power as duals any day. I do not agree however that duals hurt your ground clearance more than a single. The fact is, if you are running long tubes, you have to go under/around/through the trans cross member wether you are running duals or a mufflex Y pipe. You can notch, or fab up a cross member to keep the pipes up as much as possible, again, regardless of wether you are running duals or a Y. The trans cross member is the problem with long tubes. I am going to install 2210s and true duals on my IROC and I plan on notching my cross member like others have done to keep the pipes up in the tunnel.

 

True. That is a problem area, but that is not the only low part. There is the rest of the pipe that has to run the length of you car with no tunnel. I banged my floor board up to make a little more room for the second pipe. i am not saying that you loose all ground clearance with duals, I am saying it is a much migger issure with duals than it is with a Y. That is obviouse. With dual 3" pipes, you have to work hard to keep away from the ground. My pipes don't scrape anyhthing. And I made mine in 2 days and that is the first pipes I have ever welded in my entire life, and I have 0 automotive experience. I just used common sense, like what I do with the rest of the car.

Now all that asside, duals is just a plain waste of time IMO. Now that I have done it and all that, there is just no point. Granted these bullets that I have now are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too loud, That is one if the main reasons that I need to go singel and get over the axle, so that I can use a full size muffler and have more pipe to better muffle my motor. I have a big ***, lumpy cam. If you are stockish, then these pipes would sound great.


It all boils down to:

What you have, what you are willing to spend (time, $), and what you are trying to get out of it.

I have an OK amount of $, a good amount of time and I am trying to build a streetable drag-like car that can still sit in traffic and be able to have the cops not pull me over cuz they can hear me from a mile away.

Before I had this motor fired up and realised that this is the real world and to make a ground up build of a car, made for the real world, you need a full exhaust. If you use duals and try and use a full size muffler without modding your floor boards, your tranny problem is going to seem like a joke compared to your muffler clearance issues.


All in all, good luck and hope it works out.

 

Well first off let me say that I have not actually installed these duals yet, nor have I even gotten under my car to take real measurements. I am simply going off of what I have seen and read. I know that dual 3" pipes will be a bellyfull on my car but I will have a healthy 383 to care for and may need room to grow in the future. Here is where our opinions differ however, I despise the sound of a single exhaust on our cars. I have had my car since '97, I have had 3 mufflers on it and not liked any of them. I hate the single exhaust sound plain and simple. I am willing to live with trouble of making an exhaust and dealing with the extra noise because I want an exhaust that sounds good. I am going to fab a double hump cross member to keep the pipes up and then I am going to run a Dynomax ultra flo round muffler in the same location as yours or I may try to stick them sideways behind the rear seat wells. They are 6" in diameter so it will be tricky. I am going to have dumps just inside the rear control arms facing out away from the car to keep the exhaust from echoing under the car but they will be slash cut so you cant see them. I will also have a crossover between the pipes which will quiet the system down a bit more. Should be quieter than yours, but quiet by no means.

 

Sounds like a killer set of pipes. I hope it works out. The mufflers I have are only 4" around. That is why they do so little muffling. I too have a healthy 383, (acctally mine is a 385, but who cares). If your cam is really big, make sure you have enough pipe, and muffler or you might get frustrated after you fire it up and it sounds like a tank driving by. I know the set-up I made (above) is pretty much as loud as it can get, but still, I just want to put that warning out there.

Well I am going with a single 4".

Deep down, there is def a part of me that wants duals, haha. Just so I can say so. But I guess it is a little less of a WOW factor, cuz I like to hide my pipes, so no one can tell the difference anyways.

 

well you can easily make dual 2.5 inch if you use you stock routings. actually i looked into it and its very simple. like i devised a plan. to keep things really nice under the car. tucked up and a away i made some mental notes. im really good at visualizing things, and i can quite easily do them if i had the resorces. anywho the only plroblem i have is the 2210s are not small enough to take stock location. sorry dennisbernal91z, i really really ahde exhaust that does not make it to the back of the car, dont take it personaly. i also dont like huge tips. picky when it comes to that. anywho i want to get a set of 2210s to see if can mod them to make them shorter to fit stock loaction but i dont want to buy them install them and then swallow the 400 bucks. i think im jsut going to get hooker shorties, 2460s. i know they suck etc, but my car is really only going to mave about 450-500 hp then im done. my cam will be .520 lift intake and .535 ehaust at about 280 duration when i get the cash. thats not to crazy, maybe il upgrade to set of slps or go custom. i want middles haha. not a shortie or a long tube, but middle. i think since the 2460s are only 150 bucks, for now till i can figure out when im going to do il jsut stick with that.

 

I really don't take anything personally. I have no problem with you not liking a dumped exhaust. I like it, you don't. Who cares? I too don't like huge tips. As for the dual 2.5"... it is easy. It doesn't take much work to do it either. A lot of guys have done it here. Actually I had a friend a while back that bought a junker firebird and it had true dual 2.5" in the stock location. He also had some midlengths. Problem was that all the midlengths have tinny primaries. So the person who built it had no idea what they were doing. Anyways, your 500HP mark IS pretty aggressive. I would def not want to put $150 headers on a motor that I was expecting to make 500 HP. Thats just me. If you can find a set with Big primaries that are shorties, for a good price, then go for it.

From experience, get something with enough flow, 500 HP motors MOVE A LOT OF AIR. Don't make it hard for the motor to reach your mark. My motor does make around 500HP and I am happy to have long tubes with big primaries.

I am just trying to warn you so that you don't waste any $ or time. These high HP projects take long enough without having to do things twice.

 

yea good point. what i was thinking is once i get more money next year, i can make a set of custom headers. ones with 1-3/4 primaries, but make them shortie style that will fit my stock exhaust. i know its not really that smart yet. whats a good set mild tube headers that will be able to handle 450 - 500 hp?

also making headers isnt that hard. if you order a set of pre bent 1 3/4 inch pipes, you can cut and welt up a really nice set, am i wrong? im jsut looking into it because ic an find anything i like out there in there market

 

Well I have never made headers, but I am no pro welder. I did weld my pipes, my floor patches and my 6 point cage, along with a lot of other things here and there. I was told by much more experienced guys that, even with that experience I would get lost and frustrated fast. I would waste a lot of $ and time measuring/welding/messing up/cutting/clearancing for heat and contact/and then trying to get the collector on in a practical way. It has been described as an art from by some guys. You really have to be able to see what you want and have great welding and mental goemtric skills to make nice headers. Anyone can make something that works, but there is more to it. In the end, after you buy all the pipes, you are allready spending a solid 250 if not more after you mess up and stuff like that. For a solid 400 you can get a set of used coated long tubes. Or for even less, get a set of non coated and try to mod them. From sctrach is just REALLY hard. Thats why I just saved up for a bit and found a set of long used long tubes on TGO. I am happy I did. It is a practical and not too expensive thing to do. It also insures that you do not bite off more than you can swallow. Be carfull and don't let yourself get overwelmed.

There are a good amount of 1 3/4 headers out there.

And finally:

Make sure you weigh out all your options. And for everything that you tell yourself you really want, ask yourself "Why do I REALLY want that?"

For example you are saying you want to build headers, just cuz you want mid-length, 1 3/4 primary headers. Why do you NEED midlengths?

You can use shorties or long tubes just fine. It would be easier to add a couple bends to match up with your other pipes than to make headers.

Hope that al helped a little.


I used to be hell bent on dropping my car, with long tubes and true duals.

After opening my eyes and weighing things and how they will act in the real world. I am keeping stock hieght, kept my long tubes and am going with a 4" Y pipe. Its still going to be FUN and practical at the same time.

 

yea..practicality sucks eh....yea i herd they were hard to build. im not a bad welder, but i forgot to tell you that my friend is a really good welder, so i was going to tack/cut and put in place, and he jsut weld up tight. anywho i think you are right, i knod of ahd my mind set on mid headers. the only thing i really want is dual 2.5 i know they are not ahrd to build, but with that, to make it tight i want to use stock location. that is set, i really really want to do that. i want to drop the car 1 inch so with taht its got to be tight under the car. so with taht said, waht i am going to ask you now is what are some good headers that can fit stock location. i know the hooker 2460s are not the best headers, but that elce is my options. i want to spend about 500 bucks MAX on them.

 

Well that helps. Freinds are the best way to get free labor!, haha.

As for a good set of headers that are not long tubes, I do not know. I have had my heart so set on long tubes for so long that I never even looked into shorties. I used to have edelbrocks and they where OK at best. I think some of those Hookers or SLPs are the best. There are A LOT, and I mean A LOT of threads about what is the best shortie header. If you search around, I am sure you will find out.

Good idea to go with shorties, If you plan on dropping the car, def do not go with long tubes.

 

yea, like iw as looking into aftermarket springs until i get older. i want to eventually go with a set of coilovers from spohn. they are adjustable etc and are way better. but since im only 17, i got to make do waht what i got. anywho i think im going to go with a set of b&g..i think thats the name. if you wat to scope it out its at spohn product. i got an idea about the short tube headers. hear me out about this. each primary runs into the collecter right...so if i cut the collercter of, add lenth to the primaries, they they can be mids. i dunno i just thougth about this the otehr day. all iw ould have to do is sanblast them, get 1 5/8 tubing and put maybe 2 or 3 inches more to it, then re welld the collector. then you get more primary...i dunno tell me what you think.

by the way, give me some specs on your car. like everything you can remeber. everything you have done to get about 500 hp. give me a few ideas

 

That is an idea. I have never seen anyone do that before. Adding pipe. Why wouldn't you just add some pipe after the collector and forget the mid-length idea... But if you REALLY wanna have longer primaries, I gess that is the best way to go.

To make 500 HP, I have a foged crank, rods, pistons. Aluminum Trickflow heads, CNC ported chambers, Edelbrock Victor jr. intake with a Holly 750 DP, Mallory HEI distributor and a moroso 3" drop base air filter. Full roller rockers, chromolly puchrods, A BIG *** cam I think it is 246 on the itake and 256 on the exhaust. Long tube headers and so on....

Check out my cardomain site if you wanna see it all.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/782913/1

 

wow you spent alot fo time on your car. looks good. i want to keep my tpi setup and try and make around 500 hp. the cam im getting is comp cams. http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku its not crazy lift, but when im done it will be more because im putting on 1.6 rockers when i rebuild my heads. it pill get a bigger lift then. from what i hear due to its duration, its got alot of low end preformance. il probably go with their be hive springs as well. for my intake, i got slp runners with the plenum,runners and intake manifold all simonized. probably SVT injectors, dual 58mm tb, cold air intake. coil, cap/roter/wires and plugs done. exhaust in which we are debating right now, but as you know im pretty much set. il get it timed and tuned with a programer. with that done il probably be aorund 400 hp maybe. hoping. then il crack it open, and put in pistons. i hope it will be aorund 450-500 then im done. im not goign to eb going as crazy as you with fodged everything. i think its cool taht you did that, but i was told it was not worth it fot 500 hp. its really awsome that you can do that and if you can aford it, then go for it because it really makes your parts last longer. thats what i was told.

waht do you think of the cam...waht do you think ti will get for lift with 1.6 lifters?
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scrap lifters. rockers...im at school and im tired

 

I understand that you wanna keep your TPI. It is a good setup. My ca used to be TPI. But to be 100% honest, this is coming from a soon to be mech engineer (me), also someone who has been reading about these cars for 4 years, and acctually just finished reading threads about a guy who says he is making 500HP with a TPI.

IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

Doesn't matter what heads, cam, injectors or anything you have. If you do the math and calulate airflow, there just isn't enough air to make 500 HP esspecially to the wheels. With a big cam, (I think the one you posted might be too small, but I am not sure), and all the upper end ported on a TPI you might, just might get to 450HP MAX. It is super rare to see a TPI pushing that.

As for me and my forged stuff, it is true many guys say you don't NEED forged for 500HP, thing is I am gonna start playing with nitrouse. This motor can take a 300 shot of juice in its sleep. That pushes me over the 800 mark at the motor, around 700 to the wheels. Def need forged for that


Anyways, keep me posted on what cam you go with.

 

One of my old hot rod books has a story on building custom headers for street rods. The guy used flexible exhaust tubing hooked up to the header flange and curved and bent the flex tubing so that everything cleared and the pipes were equal length. Then he tacked the tubes at various places to keep them more rigid and then uninstalled them to have header tubing bent and cut to the same shape as his pattern flex tubes. Fitting the new tubes in to make sure everything still fit, he then welded up a collector and proceeded on with the rest of the system. Voila, custom headers for a car that doesn't have any pre-made ones available.
Anybody tried this method? It seems a lot easier than tacking up a dozen short pieces to make each tube. Probably works when making the pipes to hook up the cats and mufflers and engine swaps, also. My two cents.

 

yea man, thats smart. really smart. cuts doen all the mesuring etc. you do it all with the bent tubing making life easier. smart idea. i should look into that.\

300 shot....yup...fordged is for you. to bad i cant aford that haha. as for the cam, its not as big as i want it to be, but its all i can aford. like i can aford a more expensive cam, but i can aford the heads that go with it. so im going to rebuild the stockers with a good port job. those should do about .510 lift intake with 1.6 rockers i was told. they are rater with 1.5s right now. yea i hear you whe it comes to reaching 500, lots of people are talking about that. i know one guy who actually did it, but it was a 383. he ahd everything done like you though. anywho i know i wont make it, its jsut a goal.