I've seen several posts including comments on the Edelbrock headers, most not very complimentary. Can anyone elaborate? I was considering the TES. The price isn't bad and, being a whole system (headers back), I was assuming it would work good together.

 

It's not headers back. It's just the headers. You'll have to order a cat-back for the rest. The TES are a little more restrictive than say SLP, but are a lot cheaper, unless you're builing up some serious HP the TES will be fine.

 

Thanks. When talking about the complete system, I was also including the Edelbrock cat-back.

 

You dont need to be making "serious horsepower" to use SLP's. "stock horsepower" is fine..... You will notice a decent gain in 1 3/4" SLP w/ the Y pipe over the Edelcrock's "tubularcrap system"......

 

I would also have to put in a vote for the SLP's. After lotsa research, I will be putting those on my 383 when its done (if ever done!)

 

I agree, unless ur thinking about making crazy horsepower just go with the Edelbrock TES with the 3" collector at the Y-pipe and make sure there 1-3/4 primaries.
They will make a great increase in performance for you and with the cat-back you will notice even more out of them. Good luck. Oh and I would go with some copper exhaust gaskets instead of using Edelbrock's. Maybe even some Stage 8 Locking bolts for the headers. I heard some bad things about the gaskets that come with the headers. Just a good insurance policy with copper gaskets cause they will never blow.

 

i have had both (well i actually still have the SLPs...) and i would recommend SLP for a few reasons...

-Edelbrocks will look TERRIBLE after about 15 minutes after all the paint burns off. they turn white and brown. Also, they will get surface rust after a while (like a year). SLPs are stainless so they dont rust, and have minimal color changing.

-Edelbrocks are smaller primaries. They advertise 1-5/8", but its not even close to that at some points. SLPs are a true 1-3/4".

-SLPs are avaialble without AIR hookups, which looks a million times better under the hood.

but they are right. if you are just looking for a replacement for your cast manifolds then they are great. there is a limit to their HP potential though and they DEFINITLEY do not look as nice as the SLPs do.

And, if you figure the cost of getting them coated to prevent corrosion, they will be more expensive than SLPs.

hope this helps....

-Brian

 

oh and eric hit the nail on the head....use different gaskets if you go with the edelbrocks...

sometimes he actually says something smart .

-brian

 

U say the smartest things though, thats why I quoted ya on one of your smartest lines in my signature.

 

hah yeah that may be true

 

what about the Dynomax 50 state legal ones?

 

i was thinkin bout the edelbrock ones, but if there not good,, then i dont wnat them......what hp are they good up to? max hp ill be pushing will probly be around 400.

 

There-in lies the problem with the TES. The primaries on the Edelbrock TES kits are supposed to be 1 5/8" but are actually a lot closer to 1 1/2" . I would only go with the TES if money is extremely tight (speaking from more than one cars worth of experience). I would rather wait a bit longer until I had the money to do it right the first time and go with the SLP 1 3/4 shorties or the Hooker Super Competition Long Tubes depending on the money available and the long term goals for the car.

 

whats better 1'5/8 or 1'3/4

 

1-5/8 for a 305 motor and 1-3/4 for a 350 motor.

 

Are the 1 3/4 too big for a stock engine? I too am having a delema about the Slp's and the TES, but I remember reading somewhere that if your engine isnt making serious power, the 1 3/4 headers are too much and might actually loose some hp. Is this true? Thanks for any info guys.

 

hye myroc-z spending money on SLP isnt worth it in my opnion buy the TES, i took a pic of mines and its just as good. who cares about Stainless Steel:shrugs:

 

Stainless steel is still gonna get corroded. Brian (Z28 Boy) I remember seeing pics of ur SLP Headers after awhile and I could see orange on them. Your gonna have to coat any headers you get if u don't want them to look sh*tty after awhile. I would get everything coated anyways. Protects them and cools them down a bit. Worth the money in my opinion. Jet hot does it for around 120 bucks I think and they can sell the TES Headers to you coated for a good price.

 

yeah that is true...mine have changed a little bit but not that much. they have been on a year though so im not sure how much more they will change.

VERY little if any corrosion though. i called SLP a while ago on this and they said that they may get a little surface corrosion but thats all.

i am just very biased towards the SLP because my edelbrocks looked terrible. here is a pic...



they totaly RUINED what my engine looked like. eric..your are coated so your look sweet. but, mine werent ...that why i hate them. for the price to get them coated i would rather have the SLPs. just my opinion...but eric, you know how i like to spend money, so i guess its no surprise i like the more expensive ones.

-brian

 

Bling Bling Brian.

 

hahahahahaha

dude you always have to get the last word...lol

 

Yes

 

What about the Hedman Hedders (part # 68470 for the headers, and 17470 for the y-pipe.) Costs $203.98 from JEG's (w/o shipping.) It doesn't have any AIR connections (good in my case, but...) it also doesn't have an O2 sensor (I don't think, maybe somebody could clarify.) They have 1 5/8" primaries with a 3" collector, and are $100 cheaper then the Edelbrocks. Wouldn't it be a good choice to buy this setup, and just put the 1400* header paint on them? Only problem is setting up a spot for the O2 sensor to go.

Which brings me to my next question... how necessary is the O2 sensor? I plan on keeping the computer, and one of these days I'm going to disconnect the sensor just to see how the engine runs without it. I've done it before for a quick 5 minute drive, and the check engine light did not come on and the car seemed to drive fine but it was already warmed up when I disconnected it.

 

You can still have them coated, Brian. Jet-Hot will coat used headers and you will LOVE the way it looks afterwards. If you ever pull the headers or motor and will have the car down for a couple weeks, that's the time to do it.

 

oh i know , i am just waiting till i get the 190 bucks they want to do it.

-brian

 

Better save up about $235. I had mine drop shipped from Summit and it costed me $217 one way!

 

wow....damn that a lot. what finish did you get?

-brian

 

Actually, now that you mention it, I got the black and it costed $10 more. However, I wouldn't have had I known it was flat black. I was under the impression it would be shiny like the sterling.