Has anyone done Lambo doors on a 3rd Gen? The doors are heavy and may need a Dremel diet.

 

never done it personaly. ive seen a site where they offer the hinges but the doors are way to heavy for that. youll wear em out real quick. even if you do cut some weight off (which there isnt that much to dump) could you really see a 4 1/2 foot door stright up in the air and not laugh? ive seen the suicide doors on a 3rd gen before. i think the only advantage to that would be that your foot wouldnt scuff up your door panels when entering/exiting your car. but its seriously ugly as sin on the 3rdgens. but hey, to each his own. i like seeing new things with these cars even though i dont like half of the ideas. but all of them give me ideas of my own

 

installing lambo hinges from autoloc on my 91 firebird. going for the ones with the actuator motor for lift. just can't imagine lift struts moving those doors.

 

just dont halfass it

 

Could you give us some multiple angle shots of the hinge setup? I've tried to envision a set based on how they should work, but I'm not sure.

Btw, which ones does autoloc make? The kind that swing out, or the kind that pop out and rotate up? The first kind is very impractical because of the amount of space it takes to extend the doors. (like the EVO II kit)

Mathius

 

Every linear actuator I've seen (on TV, car shows, etc), is slower than hell, and an actuator to lift the door is gonna hev to be pretty powerful, and I'm sure it'll take some serious juice. Are there any pics of a setup like the one you are making?

Scott

 

No one likes gullwings? I think the gull wing project would be easier, i was thinking of doing it but you would require a little it bigger parking space to get those bad boys up in the air,, then again im kinda scared of those fat boys falling on me..

 

Right, which is why I don't want involved with gullwing doors, they're just not practical and would require butcho re-enforcement of the chassis and especially the roof.

I realize the weight issue involved with our doors, but the first order of business is figuring out just what kit he's using and how the hinges work. I want the kind that open by rotating above if I were going to use them at all. I've seen them on an escalade.

Mathius

 

Actually, I stand corrected, it was a Ford Expedition with a Navi front clip.....

Those are doors that are flashy, but still useable.

Mathius

 

How the hell would you even fabricate this? did you intend on making an upper door frame for your thirdgen ?

 

I'm guessing you're asking about gullwings, since that's the quote you used. It would be just about as easy as any of these other suggestions I'd guess. The problem isn't necessarily the weight of our doors actually so much as the stress it would put on the unibody.

People don't realize that suiciding doors is something that should be approached differently for each vehicle. The factory re-enforced the a-pillar to withstand the weight of the door, but that doesn't necessarily mean the rear (b-pillar?) can withstand that kind of stress.

So, given that, assuming the chassis has been properly re-enforced, gullwings would probably be installed to the t-bar on a t-top chassis, and the doors would have to be either completely custom, or you'd have to add front and rear window trim and cut the window glass appropriately.

As far as lambo doors go, I'm 100 percent curious to see a good picture of the hinges used on these vehicles. I have yet to see a good picture. Suicide door hinges I understand, and I'm positive I could fabricate some on my own a hell of a lot cheaper than the $400.00 these web pages want for their "kits".

Lambo doors I don't really have a good idea of how they would work, unless the outter hinge actually retracts into the door pillar and at an angle at that, but then you'd probably need some kind of spring inside the hinge to force the door out when it opens? I'm just guessing here, I don't really know the easiest way.

Mathius

 

Okay, I just wrote up a reply and it was deleted, sh*tty. Anyways. I was saying I can't do it and I wonder if the door would still be too heavy but what If you mounted the door on a sort of rod or hinge made from multiple rods that would slide out 4-5" to clear the fender/hood/windshield/etc and then would pivot on that same multi rod hinge?

 

Does anyone know of any sort of premade rod/hinge setup like I was describing? One that might permit a slide out and then full body rotation?

 

If you could find a suitable pivot tube and sleave, you could cut a cam groove into the inner piece, initially when you push it'll slide the door out, then start the cam into an upwards motion. Going the other way, the momentum of the closing door would help pull it back in. (think like a twisting retractable pen)
If we get a working design, i'll get some pics up. So far everything is on paper, and in scaled down (working) models.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...474466601&rd=1

Here's a picture of the hinge setup. Deadbeat seller is trying to get around paying Ebay fees by charging $700.00 shipping instead of making it his opening bid, so I'm not bidding on it, but if someone can use that picture and figure it out, maybe it was at least useful. I can't make heads or tails out of how it should work with that supposed "universal" kit.

Mathius

 

even if you could make this rod or hinge where would it be mounted on the door and the car ????? you got me confused completely....???

 

You ever seen speaker kick panels for our cars? You know how there is a section of metal/car that goes down from the A-pillar to the lower rail of the car? And right where the speaker kick panel is, there is a chunk of metal that might support the hinge if properly re-inforced. Maybe.

On the door side it would be attached to the very front of the door right below where the lower hinge is stock.

Just like the picture shows...

 

iansane,

Don't lose hope yet. Check out Koenigsegg's CC8S and CCR models (Swedish super-car maker). Doors extend out from the body and swing upwards, just as you suggested. That would be the only feasible way to do it, look at any *****'s Civic, the door still covers half the opening, looks dumb and is even less functional. I've seen people almost have to crawl into their cars because the opening space is reduced by the bottom of the door hitting just about where the middle of the window would be. Lamborghini uses the vertical swing doors because the cars are so wide that everyday parking in a spot would be a challenge to not hit other cars. Other than the Diablo, Murcielago, CC8, or the Enzo (gullwing), the swinging doors are for show. Iansane is on the right track to making it look good and have functionality.

-edit-

They call it..."dihedral synchro helix actuation doors". Too much time on the engineer's hands to me.

 

I have been looking into this because I want to put lambo doors on my 92 Camaro, the best one that I have seen so far (kit wise) is the kit from GT Factory. Very expensive.... but they do have quality products. I am currently in contact with some of their reps, I'll keep you guys posted.

 

What you think??

 

i like the look but doesnt it make it harder to get into ??
looks like it would ..im a big ol boy myself goin about 340lbs and 6'4" im afraid it would make it hard to get into and out of the ride ..lol...but i would like to do something like that to a camaro i was also thinking of how hard it would be to do suicide doors on one ?

 

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after seeing that photochop above i don't know if i'd really want to see one. there are so many cars in my area from suv's to hondas with them that it really isn't special anymore.

however with the bs out of the way the only kits i've seen are those that swing out like normal with a standard hinge and then extend up like a typical lambo hinge. most of the mustang kits are this way and you can still get out of the car normally if you don't want them going up like a lambo which is really nice.

definately would need heavy duty struts though for the setup. they really are best left for the lightweight supercars like lambos and others. just look how much more room you get with a car like that. nothing like these new kits and the doors flow better when they are up.

 

i like they way they look i just dont know if id like to have them on a car i own or not especially a thirdgen as you said we have some of the heaviest doors out there and id be worried about the struts for the doors and hinge mounting getting stressed to much

 

Koenigsegg has doors like that.

http://www.koenigsegg.com/index.asp

 

Exactly where I got the idea from.

 

Hmmm rather old topic but hey I wanna reply

If your deep into fabrication at all you could make some fiberglass doors that would work pretty well

 

I think that'd work for a show only car but if you drive on the street at all even I wouldn't want some glass'd doors "protecting" me, and I'm crazy.

 

not sure if anyone said this or not...but you could kinda make it cam as it opens and it would be a lot easier than 4 different brackets ......kind of make a circle type deal on some aluminum and have a gradual spiral to acheive the door going outwards then up.......IF you have access to a cnc machine.....migh tbe just a tad bit rough with just a welder and a grinder heh

 

koenigsegg rocks.

 

wow i thought this post was dead ???????....LOL

 

it was and apparently still is