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Old Mar 1, 2016 | 10:59 PM
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ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

who make a good 8pt cage that fits well in these cars ? thanks for any help guys .
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 02:26 AM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

S&W race cars.

I put their 10 point cage in mine and love it. Fit was great with just minor trimming and cutting to length needed and of course making the fish mouth notches on a few bars I had to cut to length.











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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 05:43 AM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Night rider327
S&W race cars.

I put their 10 point cage in mine and love it. Fit was great with just minor trimming and cutting to length needed and of course making the fish mouth notches on a few bars I had to cut to length.
Wait, is that a t-top car? Where is the halo relative to the t-top structure? Do you have any pics of it? How tall are you? Is this the car that you list as the DD in your sig?
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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Car: 1988 Camaro
Engine: 355, 10.34:1, 249/252 @.050", IK200
Transmission: TH-400, 3500 stall 9.5" converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9", detroit locker, 3.89 gears
Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Yes sir it is. Well it was my daily driver gor 8 years but now a v8 s10 has took over that role.

I'm 5'11" tall.
I'm on my phone right now so I can't post any more pics but tonight when I get on my pc I can
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 04:10 PM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

I'm really curious... I've been debating if it was even possible to put a 10pt in a t-top car that I would clear, but I'm pretty big/tall (6'4" 250#)

i'm still very curious to see pics how it's tucked in there. Is it in the way?
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 05:37 PM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by shannon-mccollu
who make a good 8pt cage that fits well in these cars ? thanks for any help guys .
I've put S&W 8 point roll bars in two 3rd Gens. They fit real good and they offer steel as well as chrome moly. Not real expensive either.

An 8 point is technically a roll bar.

10 and 12 points are cages.

You'll need a level. I used one of these.



And a strap to squeeze the main hoop into place.

Oh, and remove any insulation that's in the way. That stuff catches fire quick...
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 05:38 PM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Night rider327
S&W race cars.

I put their 10 point cage in mine and love it. Fit was great with just minor trimming and cutting to length needed and of course making the fish mouth notches on a few bars I had to cut to length.











Very nice!
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:10 PM
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Axle/Gears: Ford 9", detroit locker, 3.89 gears
Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

I will post more pics tonight. No man , I wouldn't say it's in the way at all. I mean it is a roll cage and somethings will be tighter but for most part it's a fine fit. The two biggest gripes I have would be..

Front of halo bar/rear view mirror. With the thick padding on the bar, I can't see out of my rear view, so I cut my padding and left a gap in the center where mirror is. Some of the lower profile U channel padding would solve that I think.

A pillar bar where it meets door bar and front plate. The way I have it, the stub for door bar swing out on the bottom is in the way of my left foot when getting in and out of car. Nothing bad really, just have to move my foot around it rather than just sliding in/out like normal. You can see that in the second pic I posted (even though that's the pass side)

If I done it again, I would move the door bar stub up against the A pillar bar and weld it to the A pillar bar.

Like I said, I'm 5'11" 275 lbs with a longer torso, wide shoulders. The door bar does come up close to my side. I just use the bar as a left arm rest when driving.

Head clearance is no prob, even with the helmet on. I did lay/angle the main hoop back to match the B pillar/door opening angle so that did give more head room and cabin room. To do this and fit the interior trim back in, I had to cut a notch out of the plastic panels that goes on the side next to the rear seat bottoms.

I put the halo bar up as high as I could. I spaced it down from the roof about the thickness of my finger. That made a real tight fit for the headliner, but headliner did fit back in and of course higher the halo the more head room you have.

The subframe bars are in the way of the rear seats, but that was not an issue for me. I welded them to sides of tunnel due to the fact I'm using the jegster tunnel mounted torque arm, and I figured by welding my cage plates and subframe bars right where the TQ arm plate was would add more strength to the chassis/suspension.

I'm pretty sure you could move those bars to a diff spot and get better use of rear seats if needed.
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:11 PM
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Car: 1988 Camaro
Engine: 355, 10.34:1, 249/252 @.050", IK200
Transmission: TH-400, 3500 stall 9.5" converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9", detroit locker, 3.89 gears
Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Tony V
Very nice!
Thank you very much.
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:14 PM
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Car: 1988 Camaro
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Transmission: TH-400, 3500 stall 9.5" converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9", detroit locker, 3.89 gears
Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Tony V
You'll need a level. I used one of these.

+1

In the pic with me welding the rear bars in, on the left of pic you can see my yellow angle gauge.

I used a magnet base angle gauge, a few bubble levels, plumb bob and tape measure.
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:16 PM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

No problems taking the t-tops out of my car with a full cage. Here's the link to my cage build that can show the cage with the t-tops out.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/fabr...roll-cage.html
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:43 PM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

I have a 10 point from summit welded into my car. No issues with fitment or function and it's in a t top car. You will however lose your rear seats.
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:45 PM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

Here's a picture with the cage installed.
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Old Mar 2, 2016 | 11:10 PM
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Vote for S&W!

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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 12:53 AM
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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 12:54 AM
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 06:24 AM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

So the 2 of you that showed pics of the S&W kit- the bars come both below and inside the t-top trim? That seemed like the worst of both worlds when I looked at it but I guess if it works. Is the S&W kit t-top specific or is it the same one for a hard top car?

Nightrider, I probably have a slightly shorter than average torso for someone 6'4 (very long arms and legs), I'm curious, have you ever tried to sit in a hard top car with a helmet? I actually don't clear the roof (the first time I tried it at the track I jammed my helmet on my head in the burnout box and got it stuck between the roof and the steering wheel and had to get out of the car). I seem to have a lot more headroom in a t-top car, but I have managed to smack my head into the t-top on a big bump once. I'm not sure how that equates to your seated position. Build wise I'm very big through the chest and shoulders (wear a size 56 suit, I actually don't clear the door trim without leaning over on the console on a lot of newer cars like pretty much the '93 and up Mustangs and can barely sit in a convertible, I don't clear the roof or the door panel in a 5th gen camaro) but narrow through the waist (I can button size 32 jeans but in any cut I have never found smaller than 33 that have enough room in the legs for me to sit down). I suspect that I won't have a choice but to put the door bar a bit lower than technically legal and will probably loose my armrest.
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 06:27 AM
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Re: ROLL CAGE QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!

The rest of you guys posting that you have a cage in a t-top car and don't have any problems, can you post how big you are?

FWIW, I end up having to mount the factory seat further back (like I said I have some long arms and legs) and in my hardtop formula I ended up having to cut the seat mounts down for my head to clear the roof with a helmet on.

I'm now kind of wondering if the t-top trim hangs down about the same as the hard top trim, it just looks lower because of the headliner in the hard top vs the thin glass panel?
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 07:18 AM
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I'm 5'8" but my seat is also installed in a reclined position. It's also mounted to a framework that's welded to the cage. My seat and seatbelts don't mount to the floor.
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