Ok I know its wrong to false badge a car. Even performance part stickers that you have on your car but dont have the actual part to back it up. Ok how many people are for or against cloning? Take the RS-Z28 issue I think you can do it as long as you have the right look and engine to back it up. There is no running Z badges with a Lo3 ok enough said on that. Or does anyone think "Hey keep what you have and stop trying to be what your not" In other words should our cars be sleepers. Where you can have a 383 in say a RS Camaro. Tell me what you guys think and no flaming. Its your opinion. OH this goes out to all Thirdgens not just Camaro I just used that for example.

 

Against it....Why be ashamed to have a regular TA instead of a GTA...theres more that goes to this then just looks and engine...its interior trim, rear, and specific options...it just screws up the cars history to be falsly badged....

 

I dont have a problem with someone cloning a car. But at lease when someone ask you about it. You tell then its a clone & when you are selling it you also state that fact.

Dont try to sell a 350 Iroc with a 5speed. when its really a 305 Iroc with a 5speed lol

 

I say go for it, as long as you don't try to mislead someone when you sell it.
I always like the idea of a 383 RS
most non-car people and some mustang guys would think that a RS is a V6. seeing the look on peoples faces, when you smoke them, is priceless.
biker

 

It depends on what you are after. If you have some wild a$s Camaro capable of running low 12's or better, then I think its OK if you want to put some "SS" badges on it. However, if you have a V6 RS and you want to put IROC-Z stickers on it because it looks "cool", then you are a bone-smoker and need to buy a h0nduh y0, 'cuz tH3y b3 pH4t

 

If your going to salvage an old sport coupe and put all of the according parts on it, fine....

but putting Z28 decals on before you have DONE the complete swap

 

me for one i wouldn't do it.........on the outside i have a 91 RS and i am planning on dropping a 406 in her, i'm going to leave the RS badges on the outside but i'm going to go with Xtreme badges on the inside to give it a unique look just my 2 cents

 

AGAINST

 

I personally don't care either way. Put it this way. If you went and bought a 67 base model Camaro and reworked it, painted it like a Z28, and then badged it as a Z28 I'd be all for it. If you tried to sell that car to me as anything but a Z28 clone I'd forget the car and walk away.

I see nothing wrong with cloning so long as you TELL people its a clone.

 

Right on man....I agree 100%.....you sould be able to clone your car...but if you sell it...you better say what it REALLY is....I think it's kewl to make clones or add different parts to their cars. Your making it look the way you want it to look.....so..you stand out from everyone else......:rockon:

 

do what you want...........everyone else does nodays.

i'm against it though, i saved up for a long time so i could afford 91-92 5.7 z28; i hate seeing v6 versions.

guess i could have done it too.......it's more of a personal thing i guess.

 

For those that are looking to buy a Real car do yourselves a fave Pick up Camaro Id by numbers or the firebird one or the camaro white book. When ever you know you are going out looking for a car take it with you. Check the Vin to make sure its what you want. Also these books have RPO codes in them so you should know what you are buying. I have pissed off a lot of dealers this way. because they swear up & down that they have something that they dont. Then they should go back & relist it with what they have but they dont always do. & They catch those ppl who think just owning these cars are kewl. Not knowing what they are getting.

 

Mod what you got, but don't rebadge it.

 

I've got a question about your question; Why would you clone a third gen f body in the first place? If you want a Z28 or a GTA, go get one. It's not like they're hard to find. I can understand cloning a '70 Malibu into a Chevelle SS, but why waste time cloning a car when it's so easy to get the real thing. Having said that, my opinion on cloning is this. Who cares what somebody does with a car, so long as they don't try to lie about it when it comes time to sell it. I've seen some pretty nice cars on ebay that were advertised as clones, and they were still going for the big bucks. There was a '69 427 Yenko clone that went for about $30,000, a '71 Hemi Cuda convetible clone that was at $50,000+ last time I saw it. It's all good as long as the seller is honest about the car.

 

OK if you want to clone something just get a factory clone. Like a Z/28 cloned to be an RS. That would be kind of weird wouldn't it.

Like a B4C or something????? Against

Later, Garrett

See sig

 

well, I say do what you want. My car is a 89 rs on the title so If I sell it it will be as a rs. Point being most of us have more in our cars than what they are worth anyways. So the buyer will buy it mostly on the condition and options anyway.

I dont portray mine as a original even though everything was swapped from a 92 Z that I bought except for the rear which I did not want for racing.

check out my sig.

 

We got alot of good opinions. I have to agree with the mod with what you have. Now the people out there putting a SS hood on thier car, everyone knows or should know this is just for the look and the HP if they can get air forced into it somehow. Theres no such thing as a 3rd Gen SS. Although I have seen one badged. I think he made them himself. Its on a yellow Camaro. On the fact if you want a Z28 go out and buy one? Well sometimes its not that simple. Hardly anyone has one in good shape and if it is in good condition your going to pay a pretty penny. So why not work with what you have. I mean its the same body style isnt it?
I say its cool as long as it looks good instead of some of these early models that are made of rust with busted out lights. Now thats the trashy ******* car if you ask me. We need to keep them clean and fast just to show these other drivers on the road "Hey look what I did and you can restore yours to."

 

I'm against it. I was going to buy this Camaro from a dealership until the told me that it was the RS and it was marked as a Z-28. I have yet to figure out why everyone wants to make their car faster than it was built. Don't get me wrong I would like to have a bigger engine in the Z-28 I have (305) but it blows my 4-banger pick up truck out of the water. I like just getting in my Z and just cruising. I guess maybe why I don't get it is because I don't have the money to do it so I don't care if I have a 305 or a 383 or what ever else. Just my opinion.

 

i am happy with my car, howver, it wouldnt hurt to make mine look like a firehawk

 

A lot of good points.

I'm against it. At least the re-badging. I'm proud of my car. I would not disgrace it by pretending it was something else. The engine thing is a non-issue. A RS that looks like a Z28 is not a Z28 regardless of which engine it has. 3.1/5.0/5.7 it's still not a Z28.

Matt427 made a good point about these cars being easy to find. If you can't find one in good condition, be patient. I looked for over a year. When you do finally find one, you'll understand why some of us are so against it.

Remember, there are import guys out there right now online in there msg boards asking " is it OK to put type R badges on my honda"?

 

Against!! I have and 85z and it does not have iroc decals on it.

 

As long as people are honest and don't lie about it, fine by me.

I'd love to do a clone 92 Firehawk---in Jamaca yellow, at least exterior wise. But I'd tell epople it's a clone.

 

Damn it, NO Firehawk Clones! Of course a yellow one would be quite obvious

Here is my complete view, I'll use a Firehawk as an example. You can mod a car to be 100% like a Firehawk for all I care right down to the T-RAM, ZF-6 Spd, and the Dana rear, BUT if you even attempt to put ANY kind of Firehawk decals or markings on it, THAT is a complete :nono: I don't care if you tell people it's a clone. If you disgrace the Firehawk name by putting a Firehawk decal on a non-Firehawk, you just commited a sin in my eyes. Not to mention you would have to pay Firestone

 

I had a feeling you'd reply like that

 

How else would I reply BTW, all other 91/92 owners are MUCH more against it than I am, they don't even like the fact that Ronal is making the wheels again and selling the original Firehawk wheel centers to non-Firehawk owners, even I'm against that. The wheels are fine with me but the center caps to non-hawk owners BIG:nono: I did pickup an extra set from Gary though myself

 

I agree, but I would offer that it is much nicer to drive a clone into the ground than the actual rare collectors car. For example, I would never want to drive a copo camaro or a hemi cuda as a daily driver. If I was lucky enough to own one, I would take it out on sundays, car shows, etc. Now if I built a clone, I would drive it as much as I could. re-live your youth as if you bought it new and started to mod it.

I recall seeing a 1971 Hemi Cuda convertable show up one day at a local car meeting. Knowing there were only a handful made (under 25), I walked up and said to the guy "This has to be a clone right?" He openly admited, "yes it was, but you would never be able to tell". I did check it out, and it was as close as you could get to the real thing. I did not get a chance to check the VIN for the "R" hemi code, but I knew it was not a real mcCoy.

So sure, go ahead and clone it. Just don't try to sell it as a genuine article. And if people ask, tell them what it is.

Consider if you found a T-RAM for sale and a ZF 6speed. You might decide to build yourself a "driver" so as to not put miles on your real car.

SLP is even making the orignal firehawk wheels again. So cloning the look of a firehawk just got easier. T-Ram is long gone, but not often you drive with the hood open.

Mark.

 

I'm not against making your car a clone, but like others have said before, no badges & if someone asks tell 'em ''It's a Clone".

I made my car into a clone, looks like a Z28 (gfx, grid lites & 91/2 hood) but have no badges on it, once the car is painted I'll get 88 SC badging for the GFX.

 

There is no substitute for the orginal.

 

For it. There's nothing wrong with adding touches and options from other years to improve upon the car you have. That's one reason why owning these cars is fun.

For instance I have a 5.0 Liter HO badge on my Formula instead of the 5.0 Liter FI because I think it looks cooler. I also changed my tailights to the TA type because I think they look sharper too.

Now you can go overboard too. Like I wouldn't put TA decals on my car or a Trans Am hood. But thats just me. I guess as long as you dont try to pass it off as something else when you're selling it, its cool.

 

Whatever floats your boat. Kind of dumb to me, really nothing so special about an IROC or Z28 for that matter.

If you got a great lookin RS and nice azz motor, that's what counts, not some badges along the side, that are just a lie.

 

Against!! Even though I own Sortof a factory clone, it is still rare. I used to hate when I was younger looking for a nice '69 Z28 just to find that most of them were knock offs. People on this post are right, go out and buy the real thing, save money, get a loan, better job, something, just don't put yourself in the same world as the Type R, V-spec, Racing R, whatever civic guy. Lots of guys worked hard and made sacrifices to get what they have (92GTA for example). Nothing beats the real thing!

 

Not even if you've put your time, money, and effort into making that car look and perform as good as the original factory model? Arguing is fun, I like it. ^_^

What about all those Shelby Cobra clones? Would you object to owning one of them? The originals are very expensive, and pretty far out of most people's budgets.

Or perhaps a GT500 clone? Those are far out of reach too. I'm getting the idea that your argument is based on the fact that there are still a number of real, well kept Z's and T/A's out there. And that you should work for it. I see nothing wrong with that as there are plenty to go around.

Do your feelings on this subject change when it becomes a rare car? One that isn't so easily found, or purchased?

 

Hello and Welcome to last year.
Sorry, but was thinking of posting something like this myself.

Personally I'm against it. I can see maybe switching engines to upgrade, but when you start changing bumpers, taillights, and dashes...just go and buy the real thing instead of explaining yourself everytime someone asks. I am not sure if I even agree with the SS badging since not all people know that that wasn't even an option for 3rd gen's. Hell, I couldn't tell you what honda cars and years actually were made as a typeR.

 

I have no problem with cloning, as long as you are honest about it. I was just at S'toons biggest car show yesterday, were lots of cloned cars there, some better done than others, but everyone was honest about it.

There was a '69 Trans Am there (clone) that could easily have passed for an original one, but I asked and he said it was just based on a regular '69 Firebird.

I have a real '83 L69 car. If someone wants to clone one because they can't get a real one, thats fine, I still have the comfort of knowing mine is real and whoever clones an '83 L69 wants it

 

i say its ok as long as you dont try to pass it off as somthing its not when its being sold.

i bought mine 5 years ago when i was 16. i didnt know sh*t about cars, all i knew was it looked sweet (or so i thought at the time). now it looks nothing like it did then. doesnt even have the v6 anymore. but, i would never put a TA badge or emblem on there!

 

Make the car look like whatever you want. Mod it however much you want to. But rebadging is dishonest.

 

I am building my RS the way I want it and yes it will be badged as an RS. No need in rebadging it as a Z. Yeah I have a Z hood and grille and Fog lights but I also have C5 vette wheels, I am making it the way I want it. It's not a Z so I am not badging it a Z. I am going to do the same with my 69 Camaro. Its just a plain coupe and it will stay that way but I will have a RS Grille and a cowl hood. Make it what you want but don't represent it as something it isn't! If its labeled as a clone then so be it but there is nothing sweeter than seeing a quick RS running the streets!!

 

Its your car. Do whatever you want. And if you want to put badges on it because you like it, do it. I have never had a problem with that. I didn't care when people bought WS6 emblems and I had an original 96 WS6. Same goes for older cars putting emblems on them, be it SS, Z28, etc.

I only have a problem trying to pass it off as real, especially when you sell it.

Its a car. Make it personal.

Just my .02 worth

 

Well I see some of you guys are really passionate about your opinions. Just don't choke each other over it, lol.'

Ok my opinion: I think clones are fine as long as you do it right. Don't just slap a badge on. Do it as accurate as humanly possible, and always tell the truth when someone asks you what it is.

Here is a good example. I read an article about a 69 Camaro ZL1 Camaro convertible. The guy who built it always wanted one, but seeing as there is only 1 known to exist today it wasn't realistic that he was gonna ever own it. So he built his own right down to every little detail, and it wasn't cheap. I think the article said he had well over 30 grand into it.

Someone also mentioned that it's a great way to enjoy a car without racking up miles on the real thing. Who would want to put miles on a real ZL1? I wouldn't.

The bottom line is it's really up to the vehicle owner. If someone didn't like what I did to my car I'd tell them where to shove it.

 

Hey I wrote that a long *** time ago...

 

Or how about an '88-'90 IROC 15 in. wheel car cloned to look like an '87 Z28. Yes I'm talking changing the wheels, repainting the gfx, and installing the '87 Z28 stripes.

 

is it alright if i put type r badges on my Z:lala: :lala: :lala:


lol j/k

 

I bought my car in January at a police auction for 45 dollars. Any cars that werent sold that day went to the melting pot. I feel I have saved this little v6's (SC) life. I have allways wanted a IROC or a Z28 but never found one to my liking in my price range. Now I have 3/4s of the car done the way I wished to have found one.And it was all built by me not some joker skimpin on the important things. When it hits the streets people will know its not a stock IROC or Z28 just by the sound alone. The car has RS badges on it now and I think im goin to leave them on because every poor kid needs new shoes and a fresh pair of jeans.

 

Rebadging is only a problem when the car's resold. Z28's with Iroc badging are all over, nothings going to change that. Most of 'those' cars are easy to spot if a person knows anythign about thirdgens.

I'm turning my 91 V6 Firebird into a 91 Trans Am. Around here I've seen two 91-92 T/A's in the last 5 years. Most people I know already refer to the car as a Trans Am. When its all said and done it'll be an accurate clone, only the vin number will show it as a base bird with a V6. As far as a sin or being dishonest, who the **** cares, its a car. It's a blank canvas that I can turn into whatever I want. It'll be badged as a Trans Am because I think it'll look better.

 

i'm putting an iroc-z suspension(front&back),disc rear axle,and a lt-1/t-56 conversion on my rs'vert. gonna leave those rs emblems on there to ruin a mustang or two's day. if you wanna re-badge ,that's ok but be honest when asked or selling.it is your car so do what you like(you're the one who drives it).just be honest.

 

what if you were to recreate an old muscle car? Like remake a 396 SS in a 3rd gen?

 

i've thought about that,maybe doing 1st gen rs emblems& i have a f/b cowl hood on mine.those chrome "cowl induction" emblems sure would look nifty. maybe a bumble bee stripe,even.waddya think,folks? ideas,anyone? that wouldn't be a blatant misrepresentation of what you're driving :rockon:

 

What if you did like a yenko, baldwin, nickey, or berger camaro like the 69 supercars... or even the Holyest of fbodies... the ZL1?

 

sure,why not,everybody knows thirdgens like that never happened(or did they? lol) .why not be creative and get funky?

 

There was a late third gen firebird on ebay a while back that the car but all trans am stickers on it to make it look like a trans am. It would have made more sense if he would have but the ground affects on it like the trans am has but firebird doesnt. What do people think about after market hoods. I think it is a stupid to put a cowl induction or ram air hood when has no function. Cowl induction doesnt do much good on a tpi. Just my opinion.