is my iron duke engine rare does any one have a production number web site

 

Since its a s/e and iron duke I would say its pretty rare.

Only 21,719 1982 s/e's were made most had the 2.8 V6 o LG4 v8

In total 17,802 Iron Duke 4-cyls for 82 birds .28.1% of Base & S/E's have Dukers.


Post some pics if you can

<<Dave

 

I must say there is quite the small following for the I4 engine. I think take it slap a turbo on that sucker and go to town

Or an LS7 might be fun too but a teensie weensie more work.

John

 

WoW! I coulda had Half a V8

 

Ive owned my iron duke bird since 1998. Can't say I've seen too many of them over the years. They may not be super low and rare production numbers, but given that many have gone the way of motor transplants or beaten to death, their numbers are certainly lower. Which, could technically make them "rare". Desirability is a whole other game. I haven't had anyone come up to me and offer to buy my car.

If I had a 1LE fbody, that would be different story.

 

I have never personally seen one, but I always have! Must be neat to have a 3rd gen... but with that for a powerplant. Not sure why they offered it when they had the V6... but who knows!

I'd love to see a turbo one, but has anyone ever actually done it?

 

It takes alot to blow them up for one thing, that engine has been around since 1964 so it's very dependable.

 

But still... 90hp in a Camaro?

So when are you going to take some pics? I wanna see!

 

Here's my Duke:






Ive taken off the A/C since these pics were taken.

 

u would think there would be more room in there i wish i could find one of thoes

 

I don't have any new pictures, but I removed the A/C and it really opened up the engine bay. I have plans on removing the fan shroud and mechanical fan in favor of the much smaller electric fan assembly. So after all that, It should be a lot more "open".


If I take of the air snorkle to work on the car it opens up even more. There is nothing underneath but open air then motor mounts.

Here is a not so good picture of the engine without the air cleaner assembly.

 

omg...the infamous 4 clyinder engine....how could they justify putting that in a camaro? omg...

and who cares if its rare....volcano eruptions are rare, but that doesnt mean people want them....

 

I'll take as many as I can get, Mercruiser and OMC used them (and still use a variation of them) in the boats for the 120-140hp engines. The marine version of that motor new costs about 1500 bucks or so.

 

i have a feeling somebodys gonna get real mad at me for what i said

 

They made them as economy cars for better gas mileage for the fuel shortages back then.

 

but they are so heavy, how could a 4 cylinder get decent gas milage when it has to pull so much weight? Camaros arent supposed to be economy cars...

 

special note....the put them in firebirds too.

I have one of these special 4 cylinder fbodies w/ 5 speed. Trust me they get great gas mileage!!

 

I'd like to get my hands on a clean 4 cyl Firebird.. Unfortunately I've got too much other stuff going on right now. I've got an '88 Fiero with the Duke and a 5 speed tranny.. It's pretty peppy, but of course the car is 1000 lbs lighter

FWIW, the 2.5 Iron Duke was a Pontiac engine. It was the ony Pontiac engine you could get in 3rd gen Firebirds

 

I was told that the 2.8 was also originally a Pontiac Engine...

the 3.8 Turbo was a Buick , I do know that.

The 2.8 beame the 3.1, which I was told that the 3.1 was given to Buick engeneers to refine, thats when it became the 3100 and 3400.

John

 

so my bird has a true pontiac soul unlike all you other firebirds. i knew i was special.

 

They always come up,When I don't have any money

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...559873132&rd=1

My question is why in the hell does it have the 82 firebird cone shifter.

 

i can understand buying a trans am and only putting 15k miles on it, but why would u buy a 4 clyinder firebird and only put 15k on it?

 

Well, maybe the family had other cars, or the original owner died and then the car was stored... It is all in the eyes of the beholder, and that little 4 banger is gaining popularity... Further more, who cares what the car was, in 10 years from now finds like that will be perfect parts cars, or better yet, a stronger foundation for your old clapped out 'bird or 'maro

 

Unfortunatly it's actually still a Chevy engine that Pontiac did a couple of things with.

The true Iron Duke engine was the 151 CID Chevy engine that were in the Chevy II cars starting in I believe 64. Pontiac punched them out to 153 and put roller lifters in the engine and stuffed it into a Fiero, thus the reason people really think it's a Pontiac engine. The engines that were in the 75-79 Monza, Sunbird, Skyhawk and the Oldsmobile (forget the name) was the same 151 that had been around forever which is the same basic engine in the Fiero and Firebirds in 82-84

 

I finally found a post that I could be somewhat proud to post in. I own an 82 base model with an iron duke. Now get this, talk about rare. My Maro has no power options, no AC and it is a BASE MODEL. What you guys are paying for gas these days I am smiling because I get over 20 MPG. I have the looks without paying for the gas. This car is in cherry condition, and is going in for a paint job next month. The interior is in excellent condition, the body is straight, it has never been wrecked and it has 80K on it. The reason I looked for this post is because I was looking for an under dash filler plate for the non AC cars. I searched high and low and could never find one. I contacted CamaroLand and they told me if they had one of the plates I was looking for it would cost me $150 because it was very rare. Rest assured, my friend Dean found one for me for $10. Thank you Dean. I just wanted to post this because I too was alarmed when I was told it had a four banger. I would not trade my car for an 8 banger.

 

I dunno, I got 26 out of the last tank with the LT1

 

Ya my 95 Caprice cop car with/Lt1 gets 27 mpg highway.

 

No offense but 20 mpg for a 4cyl is bad.You should be getting 30 mpg+ .

 

4 cylinders get about 20-25 on average...newer 4 cylinders get 30 mpg

 

My mothers LT1 94 Roadmaster got a legit 33 Mpg when new, by the time the engine had 100K on it, about 28 Mpg. Thats all hwy from Flint MI, to Youngstown OH non-stop. And it still pulled a nice 15.0 FLAT quarter mile pretty easily. My SC Riv got 27 from Flint, MI to Lexington KY, non-stop.

John

 

I've only seen one 4 banger with out A/C in the local junk yard. I was wanting to get the A/C delete heater/blower box from the engine bay....didn't have enough time to snag it.

Post some pics of your camaro when you get the chance. My bird had 84K miles on it when I bought it back in 1998.

-bill

 

You are right, I goofed. I get 34 highway and 24 city. I will post some pics.

 

I goofed, you are right. I get 34 highway and 24 city, I dont know what I was thinking. I will post a few pics.

 

Another pic

 

1 more pic.

 

nice car how many miles does that car have on it

 

Thanks, it will look better after paint. It has a little over 80k on the second motor. The motor was replaced in 92. The car is total stock and I think I will just keep it that way down to the last screw. Have a good evening.

 

i got another question what was the last yeas for the iron duke in the camaros and firedbirds?

 

Do not quote me on this, but I believe I read that it was 86. How many 4 speed manual trannys are out there? I do not read alot about them and I have one in my car, it has the reverse where you have push down, the move to the left and drop to the lower left hand corner. My car is pretty quick considering it does not have any power options. I suppose when you add the weight for everything that goes into all the options it can get a little heavy. I can do 80 up steep hills no problem.

 

1986 was the last year for Iron Dukes in Fbody's. My bird has a 5 speed in it but it's not the original tranny. It came with a 4 speed and my shifter plate still indicates it too. I forget the pattern of the 4 speed on the plate.

I have a very hard time going up hills and maintaining speed!

 

Here is the shift pattern. I was lucky to find an excellent plate on the bay last week.

 

lol i think i'd accidently slide that thing into reverse trying to hit second


Yeah I've only seen 1 iron duke in a junkyard before.

Those cars were rare, but valuable is another question entirely.

And my Lt1 gets 25 highway.. about 17 in city. 11 if I'm mean to it.

 

At first I could not get it into reverse for the life of me when I took it for a test drive because the old plate was worn. There is really no way to put it in reverse by accident, you have to push down hard on the shifter until you get it right in the hole, then pull it down, took awhile to get used to. Yes probably rare, but not so desireable but its cool, I am happy with it.

 

man i wounder how many where made like that, i would like to find one and restore it.

 

I uh..... just wanted to point out ::hides and uses a megaphone to throw her voice:: The vehicle the post is about is a Firebird.... Not a Camaro.

I have the exact same year and Color car, but mine is a V6.
It's true though. My husbnad has a 1982 Trans Am with a 305.. A 305 for better gas mileage... Sad, so so sad. I mourn for it.

I didn't mean to be rude there.

Anyways, the Third Gens were Pontiac's leap of faith removing the Firebirds and Trans Ams from the Camaros and making them a separate identity.... Thus was born the V6 and the fully independent Pontiac engine that wasn't in a Cam either.

I think... I may have the years wrong but I do know they were "separated" somewhere along those years.


jandl22, Your in New Mexico too? That's cool, Maybe We'll see each other around somewhere, Just look for the Pink Bird smokin your doors... just Kidding!

 

does any one know where the iron ''duke'' got its name ....i know its all iron... but who the hell is duke? lol

 

I am just guessing here but it could be named after John Wayne(The Duke), and his irons, just a guess, what do you think?

 

i have no idea?

 

The 151 (2.5L) inline 4 engine was used in '80-'83 CJs including the CJ-8, CJ-7, and CJ-5. The 151 is often called the "Iron Duke", but is actually a Pontiac engine designed to replace the Chevy "Iron Duke" I4 engine. The engine does have the Chevy bell housing bolt pattern though. The engine is manufactured by GM and uses a cast iron block and cylinder head with hydraulic lifters and 5 main bearings. The 151 cetainly is not a screamer, the AMC I4 has much better HP and torque ratings.

The neat part about the engine is it has the same bell housing bolt pattern as a Chevy small block. The bell housing makes a great low buck Ford/Jeep to Chevy adapter since it is basically Ford on the transmission side and Chevy on the engine side. A regular Chevy bell housing will bolt to the 151, so if you plan a transmission swap, a Chevy transmission would be the way to go. Also, a Chevy 305 or 350 will bolt right to the Iron duke bell housing. The down side of dropping in a V8 is most transmissions used with the Iron Duke are light weight units.

The GM 151 has the intake and exhaust manifolds on opposite sides of the cylinder head, but the AMC 150 has the intake and exhaust manifolds on the same side of the cylinder head. The picture at the top of the page is the passenger side with the intake manifold and carb. The drivers side is pictured below with the exhaust manifold removed.

 

I have an 82 Firebird with the famous 4 banger under the hood. last wkend was the Car Craft show in St. Paul Mn and I DID bring the car along for that show. the most common comment was "I heard that GM made these cars but I had never seen one". I didn't get any neg comments at all about the car like "why would you buy that car" I get great gas mileage with it, if I have the urge for the torq of a V8 then I will just simply jump into my 383 Trans Am otherwise the Iron Duke is my grocery getter with not a single regret.