When are the pictures and everything for the 2002 camaro coming out? I heard that the last camaro is going to be offered as an supersport only. Is this true? Is it also the last year for trans-ams and firebirds?

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V6 Bone Stock

 

Some 2002 Camaros have actually been delivered already, but the official unvealing is at Carlisle on the weekend of June 29. I'll be there with camera in hand, so I'll have pictures up after that weekend.

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Jim,
I plan on attending the show also. Unfortunately, I won't have any of my cars there because of the distance, but, I'll be there. Who knows, maybe I'll stumble across ya somewhere out there!!

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87 IROC 350 TPI with less than 10k original miles
93 Z28 Pace Car #494 of 645
86 Olds 442 (All Original)
My IROC Website
Northstar Camaro Club of Minnesota

 

Oops!

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92 Camaro 305 TBI Automatic. 2.5 high flow cat and 2.5 pipes into3.5in tip, shift kit.

Future mods. Spark plug wires and plugs, tint. Headers, O.E., any other advise on getting to 300+ HP would be appreciated. Thanks

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System = Sony explode CD/MD receiver, Rockford 6x9 Fanatics, 4x6 Clarion in the front, 2 12" Hx2's(Rockford) in custom box(black carpet) 1 farad cap, 800x2= 932 total watts Rockford Amp 4gauge wire kit.

[This message has been edited by 92Camaro305TBI (edited June 19, 2001).]

 

If I remember to wear it, I'll have my thirdgen.org t-shirt on.


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Pictures huh? Well I don't know about you guys but I'm hoping they make the last camaro a newer more mean looking car. 1st and 3rd gen camaros in my opinion just have the whole muscle car look, the newer ones I think look cool but don't really look mean.

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V6 Bone Stock

 

Don't expect anything special for the last year. You know..Chevrolet and GM wouldn't want to spend money on anything except trucks. Remember, no 602 ZF6 speed equipped 92 25th anniversary Camaro's?
Who knows, maybe we will get clear tail lights for 2002! HA!

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Rob P
89RSconvtZZ4TPI
Edelbrock Hi-Flow Intake
SLP Dual Cold Air Intake
1 5/8" Headers
Semi-Siamesed Runners
MSD6AL/AdjFPR/IROC frnt@rear swaybar/wonderbar/steeringbox/alum drvshaft/ Alston SFC/3:23posi disc rear/MAC LCA/H.Adams Panhard Rod/KYB struts/ shocks/
92Z28convt5spd
71Impala convt 402BB
BETTER DRIVING THRU SUPERIOR HORSEPOWER!

 

I know no one wants to see the end for these cars so I will help you out...I went to KC Pontiac in Quakertown PA today to look at the design of the Ram Air Airbox for a project I wanna do.....

while there I asked the manager is 2003 is really the last year officially,,,,and he said there has never been an official end announced as of yet.

I think people are just makin rumors. I think our cars will be around for a while longer

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1986 Trans Am, T-Top, 305 TPI, Flowmaster 80 series. Much more to come in July.
[*]Sound System: Dual 12" Ground Zero Nuclear Series 900 watt RMS subs in custom box made to fit the rear well, Only 500 watts running them though, Pioneer Head Unit and Rockford Fosgate wiring.


AOL screen name= madbiker1

 

I've been sayin that for 3 years now... no way in hell will GM kill the F-Body off... its all heresay and rumors...

its just taking a break, muchlike the corvette in 83 ... 35 years without a break is a long time for a line of cars to go...

 

I agree with RobP. I'm sure the last run is gonna look just like the rest of the late 4th gens, just with maybe different wheels, and a couple body or interior tweaks and probably a badge (oooooh).

 

do y'all remember back in 97 when SLP made the SS for that year, there were rumors that said it'd be the last year for the F-Body, etc and they started the whole save the f-body thing, and they re-did the front fascia and gave it an even better engine that will have been a 4 year thing?

 

well I'd love ot see them live on but....There are new crash standards coming into effect in 2003. The hardtop F-body will not be able to conform to the new standards without a major redesign. The convertibles however do conform but whether or not it is profitable to build only convertibles is questionable

 

oh yeah If uya wanna see pics of the 35th aniversary models IM me and I'll hook ya up. JakeF91Z on aim

 

Adding to what Jake said, there is NO contract with the St Therese plant to produce these cars past 2002. Therefore, if they don't pass '02 crash standards and have no place to be produced, they will NOT live past 2002...

This is not to say by '04 they won't have a new one on a shared platform. That's the thing...these cars are not profitable with there own platform...GM needs another decent RWD platform in order to revive the F body.

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 91k miles

'97 Z28 w/30th Anniversary package
LT1, M6, t-tops
White with orange stripes, killer system, 42k miles

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

The camaro will be dead, not rumored, Our camaro club in Ohio, NEOCC, has close contact with Scott Sattlemeir<sp> (High up GM something, can't remember title now), keeps the club updated, brings new models to our anual show, even writes articles for our newsletter. He states that the camaro will stop production, but the name will be saved for a later date.

All we can do is hope that when camaro returnds the people at GM don't decide to make it front wheel drive

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When the green flag drops, the bull%#$@ stops.

1979 Z28 w/427 Street/Strip car
1988 Iroc Convertible

 

I disagree with you. Just because you have contacts with Scott Settlemire does not mean your club has any info. He has done the best job at keeping this silent. He won't speak about it even with friends. He can't! The only thing known is the car is going away for 2003. Rumors are everywhere and I think GM is loving the publicity this is giving them. That's why they are doing it. This is all marketing. More than likely, GM won't kill off the car entirely. They don't have a contract w/ Ste. Therese to build it, but that doesn't mean they won't sign one at the last hour. Also, just because there is no contract with the current assembly plant, doesn't mean that there aren't still plans to build it up at another plant at another time. My opinion...The car will take a hiatus for 2-3 years and return. Other rumors are that the Corvette will be removed from the Chevy Lineup and become a brand all it's own. If that does happen, that will take a few years to accomplish, then the Camaro returns being the "Ultimate Chevrolet Sportscar". Again, these are all rumors, and my opinions. Scott Settlemire did not tell me any of this, as he also has told noone on camaroz28.com or clubs.

By the way, Scott Settlemire is the Brand Manager at GM for the corvette and the Camaro.

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87 IROC 350 TPI with less than 10k original miles
93 Z28 Pace Car #494 of 645
86 Olds 442 (All Original)
My IROC Website
Northstar Camaro Club of Minnesota

[This message has been edited by scottmoyer (edited June 21, 2001).]

 

I'm not expecting anything more than a "sticker edition" to be unveiled this weekend.If you are going just smile and clap politely when the sheet is lifted.Then dummy any GM exec. you can find but not really

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92Z28
89GTA

 

i know alot of you are still debating whether the camaro will still be around or not. are you guys nuts? why in the world would gm kill off the camaro or firebird. even though gm are known for killing cars that great (ex. impala) all of those rumors that are going around are just that. RUMORS. i asked my uncle about the rumors. he works for gm in the gm building in downtown detroit and looked into the question for me. he came back and said that this rumor has been going on for a couple of years now because of the sales lately of the f body. but then he said that gm wouldn't kill it off, but just try to make them more appealing to the buyer. that way the sales would increase. why would gm do such a thing? if they did the only sports car in that price would be the mustang. so why would they let the sales go to them. after all they're in competition with ford. if anything the camaro will come looking strong to get more sales, but never leave. i mean come on it's been going 30yrs and still counting so why stop now. don't worry the f'body is here to stay.

 

THE CURRENT DESIGN F-BODY IS GOING TO DEPART AT THE END OF THE 2003 MODEL YEAR!!!! The plant workers at the ST. Therese plant in Quebec have no contract beyond that point in time.As in after the 2003 model year there will be nowhere for these cars to be built.The design also will not meet upcoming crash standards.For some reason the convertible does though.Face it , the F car as we know it will probably take a leave of absence for a few years.Their is probably about 100 people who know the true fate of the F-body.They are all under "zip lip" contract with GM.None of the dealers know whats happening.None of the magazine guys know whats REALLY happening.

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92Z28
89GTA

 

The F-body as we know it, is Dead. It will probably come back. At which time it will probably be a shared platform, Sigma is a popular guess.

However, one thing l am seeing in the trends is for companies to start looking at a front engine, RWD. I kid you not. Even Dodge is quoted as saying its becoming feasible again. So our future Camaro (Doubtful Firebird) might still retain the current drivetrain configuration.

Couple of things I hope the new model has is independant rear suspension, tighter handling, and some sort of V-tec. The V-Tec is possible on GM motors and imagine what some kind of variable cam would do to a 350! WOOHOO! The we can tell the ricers "HEY! we have VTEC and 4 extra liters (they wouldnt understand 248 CID), wanna race?" Imagine their looks.

Before anyone jumps on me about the V-tec thing note that BMW is also using it (variation of course) so its not just a ***** thing.

Clayton

 

You are partially correct. The end is the 2002 model year, not 2003. I do agree with your statement about "zip lip". I don't care whose family member works for which dealership, or who knows who, or whatever. They don't know jack. The only people that know anything are the ones that aren't saying anything. GM is up to something and they can do whatever they like. The competition with Ford means nothing. They killed the Caprice and lost Police and Gov't contracts to Ford that kept the Crown Vic. They killed the Chevelle SS, the Impala SS, The Nova, the Grand Nationals, Oldsmobile/442, Monte Carlo SS's, GTO's, and whatever else GM wants to kill off. I'm sure people said in the 70's and 80's that they won't kill the above mentioned cars. Learn all about 'em in the history books!!

We can only hope that they don't kill the F-body because of the competition. But there is no public info on the future yet.

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87 IROC 350 TPI with less than 10k original miles
93 Z28 Pace Car #494 of 645
86 Olds 442 (All Original)
My IROC Website
Northstar Camaro Club of Minnesota

 

I wouldn't believe a thing any of the dealerships told me. I've found some of the biggest idiots working as Chevy salesmen at numerous dealerships. No clue about any product line except trucks.
Anyone one wanna lay some money with me that production stops the end of 2002? GM is not hiding anything. No contract means no new cars. Think those union members are gonna build 2003 F-bodies out of the goodness of their heart? Will the Camaro come out in a few years as a shared platform that conforms to the new side airbag standards, probably.
It's over for awhile boys and no one is to blame but GM. The performance was great but no one got excited about the styling, they didn't get rid of the passenger floor hole everyone complained about on the 3rd gens. So no one bought a souped up Geo Storm. I think the 98 and up looked better, kinda shared design clues with the 70 split bumper RS but the disapearing hood and floor hole where still there. Ford did the retro thing on the rustang, gave it flat floors and a hood you could see and people bought them, even though they got their butts handed to them at every stop light.
We'll see what the future brings.

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Rob P
89RSconvtZZ4TPI Edelbrock Intake
SLP Dual Cold Air Intake 1 5/8" Headers Semi-Siamesed Runners, IROC
suspension, alum shaft. Numerous mods.
92Z28convt5spd (stock)
71Impala convt 402BB
BETTER DRIVING THRU SUPERIOR HORSEPOWER!

 

We have a dealer in town that has a 2002 Convertible. THe sticker is at 32-33k. The only difference between the 2002 and my friends 2000, besides the Conv. part, is it has a 35th Anv. badge on the dash. Not worth more than 25k if you ask me. Its a bunch of plastic with a kick *** engine to push it. I fuc%ing hate unions. They are the reason we can't get a new car at a reasonable price. Sorry about the rant, just venting a little.

LAter,


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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28
Flowmaster
K&N
305 / 5spd. (Temporary)

 

Everyone, listen to Scott. The only one on here that has made any sense (and jives with what I have learned personally) is Scott. The car will go away. The car will come back. When? Who knows. BUT 2002 IS THE LAST PLANED MODEL YEAR FOR THE TIME BEING. END OF STORY!!

I DID however have an interesting conversation at work today (Olds/Pontiac dealer) with a supplier. I can't say anything, but the prognosis is positive...no, I am NOT kidding. I can't say anything more, but there WILL be another car (of some nature) in 2-3 model years.

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 91k miles, a few bolt ons
Alpine 60x4 and Bostons

'97 Z28
30th Anniversary package (white with orange stripes)
LT1, M6, t-tops, 42k miles
Eclipse CD and 10" Aluminum sub in JL Audio Stealth box, Boston RM speakers, Xtant 403a amp

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

GM is just plain retarded if they make the "new camaro" a FWD!!!
For my "wish" on the whole thing - keep the name and let it be a RWD - even if production started in 2008!!!

The name camaro is just too big - to **** up!!!
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Acceleration = Adrenaline

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...would you buy this car is GM offered it in 2004...

...granted, it looks a lot like the 4th gen Trans Am, and granted, the roof scoop looks a bit *****, and I'm sure the retro '92 Z28 Hoover Dam spoiler is not to everyone's liking, but if it were offered with rwd and an LS6 I'd stand in line for it...

for sure...

 

i feel the main reaason for the f body demise is the government the ls1 engine does not have an emissions certificate beyond 2005 with that being said a drastic redesign of the engine is in order some say dohc,some say sohc,and another interesting concept is locating to cams in the lifter valley one for each cylinder bank to control valve timing and keep emissions in check everyone knows that chevy has never made a dime off of the corvette since it's inception in 1953 is it coincidence that the new restyled vette will come out in 2005(not to mention the new mustang will have a new look that same year)a 4th gen engine bay will have a tough time accepting a redesidned engine that is a bit wider and in my guess going to be a little taller as well.fear not my brothers this will not be the end fir the f body their is a market and if you look at the fads n the auto industry it will come full circle(70's=jap imports,80's=choked engines and gas mileage woes,90's=suv craze still ongoing why do you think the price of gas went to $2.00 a gallon so opec can make more money?no to change the strongest economy in the world what american's buy sets a trend across the world and as far as my kn owledge goes if i remember correctly next to the defense industry(boeing,lockheed,etc.)the auto industry is the biggest in the "WORLD".just a little thought to get some people thinkng about how this country works (GOD is almighty but he's nothing compared to the almighty dollar)absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTLEY

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87 trans am 350 L98 aluminum heads,LT4 hot cam,slp runners,headers,y-pipe,edelbrock base,hi flo cat,air foil,ported plenum,t-5 tranny w/centerforce clutch and a 3.27 9bolt,ads strip chip,relocated iat sensor,hollowed maf

14.10@97mph w/2.01 60' LOOKING TO TRADE?ANYONE

 

Part of the reason the current f-bodies will stop being made is because of new federal mandates. I'm not certain of the year (more than likely 2003) all vehicles must come equiped with some form of side air bags. The extreme angel and size of the winshield pillars, where they would more than likely have to be place, will require major re-engineering of the cars, and GM won't spend that kind of money for this platform.

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New and Improved, ie Not so Cheesy
Sharons Virtual Junkyard

 

Here it is guys:

 

yuck... at least the stripes aren't on the roof.

 

I think it looks pretty ugly, and it only has 325 horse...which means no increase in HP. I want to see what the new TA will look like, since it is the better looking of the 4th gens. I bet it will be a let down as well, with no changes in HP or exterior. I hope they will not end it like that. They could have at least made some kind of attempt to make it ever more powerful than it already is. Oh well.

 

...both the 2002 Firehawk and the SS are available with a 345 hp engine @ 350 ft/lbs torque. 345 is the standard horsepower for the 2002 Hawk, while you have to buy the optional Y2Y exhaust and SLP lid to get the bump-up in the SS. Still, you can bet than some of these will be 12 second cars bone stock.

The 2002 TA looks pretty much exactly like the 2001 did...

...and, although there are always those who will disagree, the Firebird and Camaro are pretty much going out at the top of their game...

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jimbo

Mosquito Coast F-Body Association (MCFBA)

1991 Formula SLP350
1999 Trans Am Firehawk

 

I think it looked pretty good. Too bad Im a bit short on cash.

Clayton

 

I don't know about the Firehawk, but the 2002 SS is 325 hp and 350 ft/lbs torque. It's on the Chevy website. Go to cars and then to Camaro.

 

I just wanna say this.... NOBODY KNOWS CRAP!!! Not one person actually knows what is happening to the fbody. and if they did they wouldn't be able to tell anyone about it. Just like ford is having some students at U of L's speed school design a new hummer based on the f150 and this is true because I have seen parts of the new truck. So don't say anything because there is not one person who can say for sure what is happening. Until GM says something the rest is just speculation.

 

...and I'm saying that SLP offers an option on the SS that kicks it up to 345 hp...325 is the base hp for the SS...

http://www.hoodscoop.com/cgi-bin/ult...c&f=1&t=005481

[This message has been edited by jimbo (edited July 03, 2001).]

 

Jimbo that's aftermarket, you can't get those upgrades from the dealer. The SS package is the SLP dealer version.

 

Told you, stickers and hype. Sorry we didn't get the clear taillights though
Now the dealers will jack the price up by $3K because it's the last year. If I had the cash would I get a 2002 SS ragtop, yes. But I like not having a car payment

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Rob P
89RSconvtZZ4TPI Edelbrock Intake
SLP Dual Cold Air Intake 1 5/8" Headers Semi-Siamesed Runners, IROC
suspension, alum shaft. Numerous mods.
92Z28convt5spd (stock)
71Impala convt 402BB
BETTER DRIVING THRU SUPERIOR HORSEPOWER!

 

Honestly, I am somewhat underwhelmed by the 35th package. Solid stripes would have looked better, and the cheesy black area before the hood scoop is just that, cheesy. I do like the 2 tone seats and headrest logos though!!

At least this car they bothered to put 35th Anniversary logos on the outside!! My '97 30th car from the outside looks like nothing more than a white Z28 some punk kid put orange stripes on The only 30th logos are on the floormats and the headrests. Needless to say, I love it just the same

I knew the 35th car would be nothing more than an appearance package, just like the 30th car. I will say one thing though...say what you will, but the 4th gen is the pinnacle of performance for F bodies, and I believe they are going out on top.

They'll be back though

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 91k miles, a few bolt ons
Alpine 60x4 and Bostons

'97 Z28
30th Anniversary package (white with orange stripes)
LT1, M6, t-tops, 42k miles
Eclipse CD and 10" Aluminum sub in JL Audio Stealth box, Boston RM speakers, Xtant 403a amp

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

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