I saw this ad on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...item=596805365
I never knew 1LE's could have power windows, power door locks, foglights, and cruise control. This guy says its a Canadian optioned car, and the RPO sticker matches the VIN. What gives? Here's his response:


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BS flag has been raised by me. What the he11 is an "Oil radiator"? I think he means oil cooler which all L98's had. And why would a race car have air power windows and door locks anyways. Just my thought guys.

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91 z-28 305 700R4
3.73 gears out back
T-Tops and Black all over.

 

In 1991 Canada DID require all cars to have DRLs. On some models the DRL electronic circuitry may be a part of the fog lights, so it may have been cheaper to just use the regular DRL (including fog lights) used in other cars destined for Canada. Because of the Player's Challenge, 1LEs were very much available in Canada. So GM probably just took the easiest route, and for Canada, with it's DRL regulation in 1991, leaving the fog lights on models normally equiped was probably the simplist solution.

The one person that I know that has a 1LE in Canada has a 1989, which is pre-DRL, so I cannot confirm. If I find a Canadian 1LE, I will check.

 

There was a post on here a few days ago about a 1991 1LE. Guy wanted to know if it was worth $12,700. Turns out this one is in Canada too and has power windows, power locks, and power mirrors. Here's the link to it.

http://www.canadatrader.com/trader/r...4000&pa=2&pr=1

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-92 Camaro Z28, 350 TPI, flowmaster exhaust, MSD wires, Hypertech coil, K&N filters

 

I don't think that one actually has power options like that. Because that looks like a general list of options they put up for lots of cars. notice it says spoiler. Duh we can see it in the picture I think the one on ebay is a hoax. Although I could be wrong it is just my opinion.

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91 z-28 305 700R4
3.73 gears out back
T-Tops and Black all over.

 

But if you look at his RPO sticker, it matches the VIN he posted, and it shows 1LE. Thats the weird thing. Whats the RPO for power windows and door locks? Is it on the sticker?

 

Well my friend I work with has a genuine black 1991 1LE (305/5 speed) and it has no power options and no foglights, just like any other normal 1LE would be. And I work at an auto parts store and I checked out some other guy's 1991 1LE also 305 /5 speed and he too had no power options or fog lights. I think this guy on e-bay is full of CRAP.

 

In all honesty, I have a magazine writeup on the 1LE. It states you can order A/C with the 1LE, but you do not get a lot of the 1LE parts. I believe the car we're talking about here is proof that 1LE's with A/C were built (although I've never heard of one).

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Supercharged 1987 305 IROC-Z, Daily-Driver, Emissions-Legal.
Former Paxton (6-psig) with 50-hp nitrous: 12.043 @ 112.86 mph.
ATI D1SC (10-psig): 12.056 @ 116.62 mph.
All stats are altitude corrected for 3,100 feet using NHRA's Altitude Correction Table.

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Anybody see this Player's 1LE on ebay??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...item=596859291

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Since it's a Canadian car, you can contact GM Historical Services with the VIN# and they can confirm if the car is truly a 1LE. GM Historical Services can trace the VIN# for any Canadian GM car (provided it was built in Canada or imported into Canada straight from the factory) back to the 1940s.

The only cars they cannot trace are cars originally built and sold in the US and then later imported into Canada.

 

If you order a 1LE but with air conditioning, then its not a 1LE but a regular G92 car like mine.
According to the FAQ on this site, if you ordered a G92 car w/o AC then you got the 1LE options too.

 

i saw that ad on ebay a few days ago and thought the same thing, when i noticed the foglights.
maybe he stole the RPO sticker picture from another website or sumthin, cuz i wouldnt understand cruise control and power windows and locks on a car that is supposed to be a stripper to make it lighter for racing.


oh....just noticed his VIN# on the RPO pic..oops

[This message has been edited by sheet outta luck (edited October 29, 2001).]

 

That's how I've always understood the 1LE ordering process. There wasn't a "1LE box" that was checked off when ordering a 1LE, that's what made them so rare the first year. Many dealers didn't learn of the triggered ordering process in 1988. For the few who don't understand what I mean, a 1LE was "triggered" when RPO G92 was ordered, and A/C was not.

 

Guys I ran all the RPO codes listed in the pic he posted and it checks out here it is:

Your query has found 25 matches!
Here are your results:


AN4 : RESTRAINT, PROVISION CHILD
AR9 : SEAT, FRT BKT, EUROPEAN STYLE, PASS A DRIVER RECL
AU3 : LOCK CONTROL, SIDE DR, ELEC
A31 : WINDOW, POWER OPERATED, SIDE
A90 : LOCK CONTROL, RR COMPT LID, REM CONT ELEC RELEASE
DE1 : SUNSHADE, BACK WINDOW
DG7 : MIRROR 0/S, LH & RH, REM CONT, ELEC, PAINTED
D34 : MIRROR, VISOR VANITY
D42 : SHADE, RR COMPT SECURITY
D5X : GEAR, SPEEDO DRIVEN
IPC : TRIM- INTERIOR DESIGN
JG1 : SHAFT, PROP, ALUMINUM
J65 : BRAKE SYSTEM, PWR, FRT & RR DISC
KC4 : COOLING SYSTEM, ENG OIL
K05 : HEATER ENG, BLOCK-------------------/
N64 : WHEEL & TIRE,SPARE, SPACE SAVER, ALUMINUM
N96 : WHEEL, 16 X 8, CAST ALUMINUM
QLC : TIRE ALL, P245/50ZR16/N BL R/PE ST TL HW4
T61 : LIGHTING, DAYTIME RUNNING
UB3 : CLUSTER, INST, OIL, COOL TEMP, VOLTS, TRIP ODOM, TACH
Unable to locate code Z3L in our database!
Z49 : EXPORT, CANADIAN MODIF MANDATORY BASE EOUIP
1LE : PERFORMANCE PACKAGE COMPONENTS
1SC : PACKAGE, OPTION 03
19C : TRIM COMBINATION, CLOTH, BLACK (C) (91)
19I : INTERIOR TRIM, BLACK (I) (91)

The part of the vin that is on RPO code sheet is correct with what he listed for it so it may be true. But could this not have been a B4C and he just put the Z exterior on it? Those could have all the power options, right? Chech it out for yourself guys it may be for real. I am going to Email him and ask him for a pic of the full vin.

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91 z-28 305 700R4
3.73 gears out back
T-Tops and Black all over.

 

I'd just like to say that it's not unusal for a 1LE car to have a few power accessories. Everytime I see this (1lE's were stripper cars) my eyes roll.

My old 87 (pre 1LE) was a race car and had none- but I've seen a few 1LE's with some options

BTW I've seen that T/A for sale a few months back- 16,500 CDN- guess he wasn't to firm on the pricce

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5 months and it hasn't broken down- a new record!

[This message has been edited by 871LEIroc (edited November 03, 2001).]

 

isn't $16,5 Canadian about 8500.00 US?

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TTAs were loaded and came with WS6 and all of the 1LE options.

Gotta Love it....

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TE-49 and Green Stripes
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We didn't get the Aluminum Driveshaft

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Does any one know the part # of the AC Delete bracket from GM? Thanks Guys
-Rob

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92' White Trans Am Convertible, 305 TPI, 5 spd. 2:73's, Edelbrock TES, Accell 8.8's, Hypertech Stage II, TPIS Air Foil, Ported Plenum, K&N TB Cone Filter, AFPR, & A Little Bit Of Attitude!
-Best ET: 14.944 @ 93.11

88 Gunmetal GTA Hardtop... Project In The Works!

"GUYS, WE NEED TO FIND A MUSTANG TO RACE... THERES ONE! HOLY SH*T SHES HOT! SHES NOT GONNA GO... NAH... HOLY SH*T SHES GOIN!"

 

hey dude lookin for the ac delet thinger, gm doesnt make it no more becuz my friend has a 90 or 91 i forgot 1le and my brother took the art number off the ac delete panel and called up gm and they said they dont make that no more. ud have to find it at maybe ajunkyard or look around on this site maybe someone has one for sale.

also with the 1le, doubt that that car is a 1le becuz if it has the pwoer options it doesnt make it a 1le juts like that other guy said becuz my friend has one and well he doesnt have power anything just the power brake and steering thats all the power he got and he doesnt even have rear defrosters on the car. so i think either this guy actually thinks he has a rare 1le becuz of the options that he got on it , but i think its like what that other guy said about haveing the power windows and door lock and them makeing it a g sumthing car. i think thats all the guy got becuz he got it with all the other options on it. but if he thinks its rare let him think that. later

 

The part number for the A/C idler "dummy" pulley is 10055890. It works on L03,LB9 and L98 engines.

 

was he talkin about the delete panle for the blower to the heater core or the pully for the surpineten belt? becuz i know that gm doesnt make the delete panel anymore but i wouldnt know aboutthat pully thinger.

 

As much as I've always read,seen,heard that 1LE's don't have power anything I looked at his car on ebay...I own a 91 Red 1LE with 26K miles on it. Every picture he posted looked EXACTLY like mine...except mine has tan leather. I would actually think he has a 1LE. Just my 2 cents.

 

most 91 Z28's "DO" look alike.

well some anyway

[This message has been edited by Kandied91z (edited November 12, 2001).]

 

The AC pulley delete is still made, as I ordered one in June, got it promptly thereafter, and have had it under my hood since.

Jon

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89 GTA
Beautiful Gunmetal gray, LB9 305 and T5 tranny. Only 60,000 miles!
Dual cats, 3"flomaster
Accel 300+ Ignition, wires, cap, coil, etc
Airfoil
KN Airfilter
Removed Screens on MAF
SLP 1 3/4 headers
No Smog/AIR system
14.7@93 (I know i should be running faster...)

91 Ford Thunderbird. My wonderful winter beater.

 

Check out www.1le.net for all your 1LE info. There is no direct relation between the 1LE package & power accesories, interior, etc. It was simply an automatic option when ordering the G92 w/out A/C. I recall a guy having a 91 1LE w/ Leather interior on a website, anythings possible!

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'91 Z28 1LE; 355, Sportsman II heads, Edelbrock TPI w/ 58mm TB, Tremec TKO 5-speed, 3.73's & much, much more

 

Dude i just finished finding out my car is a 1LE. My car is power door locks which was installed later. Does not have A/C hint. But does have foglights. I think they added them because of the long endurance races. Certainly does not have cruise control. If the RPO Codes says 1LE on it then it certainly has to be a 1LE.