I realize I posted this in the BJ thread, but maybe this is a better place while we all discuss values of third gens. Here's a 24k mile original cream puff '84 Sport Coupe with the LG4:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...t_16371wt_1167

How much do you think it will go for? Currently at $5600, this thing is cherry, and the more I look at it, the more I want it, ugly little car that it is. It definitely takes a certain guy to appreciate this kind of Camaro, but I really like it, whitewalls 'n all.

I'm guessing the reserve is between $8k-$10k, and I see no reason it can't/won't get it. What do you guys think?

 

I like it very much as well. Take the ugly exhaust tips off it, and its a cool old car. At least to me...

I bet it tops out at $7,000 and it dies there. Is it worth more? Maybe...but its onlty worth what someone wants to pay for it. Because of its lowly Sport Coupe status, its just like our RSs...it isn't the flagship, and you have to really want it to be appreciative of it.

 

I just recently saw a really nice 82' camaro at Suzuki in Mckinney,Tx for about $12,000. Idk if its sold, but it was really nice for being a crossfire and all orignal with 26k miles and only thing change is radio. (the thing was garaged and only 2 owners)

 

Looks like a incredibly clean SC and even has the 5.0 HO motor (somewhat rare on that car)! I agree with the other poster that because its not an IROC or Z28 I think the bidding will top off around $7000. Its clean but I would be cautious about paying too much.

 

That car is already on my watch list. Beautiful! If it were a 5 speed - especially a 5 speed F41, I'd seriously bid on it. Even as is, I really can appreciate a car like this and it's originality. I hope it goes to a good home.

 

It's just the H.O. decal put on by a previous owner.

 

Don't let the air cleaner lid fool you Its a sticker-only for that car...its still the base 155hp LG4. That isn't even an H.O.-correct air cleaner, as it has 1 air snorkel, not two

 

There are enough red flags on that car, that I would really wonder about the facts involved. It's definitely not a 100% accurate, perfect example. For the mileage I'd expect it to be in better condition.

 

Yeah, the lid decal, washer bottle, exhaust tips and faded center caps would need to be fixed. The body stripes threw me off a little, but I think they are correct.

Other than that, this car seems REALLY mint and original. It even has the original blue GM floormats and trust me, those are impossible to find.

 

Heck talking about values and what ppl are paying for cars these days, im 18 and bought a 72K mile 87 iroc that is as clean underneath as it is on the outside for 2,400 bucks the guy was asking 4,000. i think i did off pretty good for the exception of no headliner and the t-tops that leak a little bit with new tune up, headers and full brand new 3" stainless steelflowmaster exaust

 

If what your saying is true then you stole that car. The guy you bought it from had it priced right at $4,000.

 

wow what a steal

 

Ya he had it listed for 4,000, sed he would take 3500, so i offered him 3, he sat on it a couple weeks, sed he would take it so than i thought id see what hed say to 2,500, didnt really like the idea, but the person who was gonna give him 3k was gonna cut it up, and he knew that i would take care of the car, the main reason was becuase he was moving to California for family, couldnt take with him and isnt emission legal there like here in Illiniois lol

 

Post some pics.

 

Does your IROC still have the original mats? I assume yes...how are they holding up? My IROC and TA have the original mats and they are clean....I also have the original mats from my old 89 RS. The problem? All the rubber backing on them is cracking apart, flaking away, and in the summer when its hot the TA's actually get a little gooey and start to stick to the carpet

I bought new GM mats, but they aren't the same shape obviously...just generic ones They do at least have the GM logo, though...

 

 

trying to figure out how to upload a pic to here?

 

Mats? Of course. I still have the original windshield washer fluid!


Those blue GM mats though....

I found a new front set on ebay almost 3 years ago. I bid on them, but wasn't following the auction closely at the end. Someone outbid me by a couple of bucks. No biggie I thought. Yeah right! I've spent the last 3 years looking for an original set. The blue ones are RARE.

 

i bought these torque thrusts from a buddy of my dads and threw them on and went down to the river not too far away and took some pics

 

OMG, you stole that thing!

 

Thanks! lol

 

The only things that are wrong with it is no headliner, might need a new iac valve it stalls randomly but starts right back up, a lil rust on top of the t bar where it must be leaking from, and dash pad cracked up. But yet again on ANOTHER steal went to a garage sale that my dads buddy sed where he thought he seen some third gen parts at, sure enough, some lady had a set of MINT doors and a original gm MINT dash pad, bought it for 10 bucks!! I mean mint! i got the dash pad, my dads friend bought the doors.

 

From just a little digging, the stripes sorta look like the ones offered on some of the early Berlinettas, but they look a little different. Some of the Sport Coupes 85-up had the lower body painted an accent color, but all of the 82-84 SC's I've ever seen have been monochrome. My guess is someone added them and the pin stripes to play off the stripes on the seats.

The door moldings are aftermarket, which really sucks because there are holes drilled every 6" of so from front to back and they're riveted to the body. The vinyl inserts shrink with age and look like crap.

The caps are missing the emblems. When the centers are aluminum like that, it's because the glossy black/silver emblems have fallen off. I had a set like that on my 14's way back when, and there was a really clean dark blue 84 in the neighborhood that still had the black emblems with the silver Camaro logo. Iroc caps have the same problem. I'd flip the white walls over too, they look terrible.

The floor mats and the carpet in the back, along with the pedals look pretty worn for that mileage. I'd also want to know what's up with the passengers side of the dash, it looks like a poor repair but it's not clear in the pics. It's also odd that a rubber bumper is missing off the passenger's side door.

I also initially questioned the dash pad, but I can't remember if they changed in 84 or 85. 82 and 83 had a lip instead of the smooth transition.

It's a clean car, and in nice shape, but not flawless, and it's still gotta get over the Sport Coupe hump. Online pics can hide a lot of flaws...

 

I wonder why the windshield washer bottle is black?

 

Picky, picky.

Yeah, I agree on the door moldings. The dash pad is correct for '84 and up. I think the passenger side dash is just excess vinyl dressing, dealer style. In fact, if you look really close, you can see that this car needs a really good detail under all the Armor All.

All in all though, it's a very unmolested car. You know, I often go through CL looking at 3rd gens. And some of the indignities these cars have suffered from previous owners through tasteless "mods" or custom hack jobs is simply appalling. It's just nice to see a pretty original creampuff which just needs some TLC.

 

It appears it only hit $6,000, and didn't sell. Honestly I thought it would climb in the last minutes, but it didn't at all.

 

It's now listed on their site @ $12,500.

I'm an optimist, but even I feel that's a tad on the high side for that car. I could see $10k at the upper end.

http://bransonmuseum.com/detail.cfm?stock=C5387

 

I can't possibly see that being a 5 digit sale price yet. I paid $12,500 for my IROC, which is more than most people on this site would pay, and in my mind is worth substantially more than this car.

'82-'84s are tough sells sometimes. If that was an RS, I could see it being worth $8,000...maybe a tad more. But an LG4 SC tops out at $7,000-7,500. I guarantee you that the dealer owns that car for around $4,000.

 

That car is nothing special, and the closing bid demonstrates that.

 

I was out Sunday and passed this Firebird sitting on a local Honda used lot http://www.stokeshondabeaufort.com/w...uth%20Carolina She really does look that good in person. I'm not sure how much they would come off the price for cash.

I have a fully optioned (only missing LS seats/Camaro special upholstery and rear wiper)'83 Z28 CFI I wouldn't take this for her. It comes down to what your 3rd Gen is worth to you. But do as many have and have an appraisal done and insure. Mine is all original save for items that can be reinstalled (have 16" gold single stripes but have the 15" gold wheels) for a stock category in a show. She still is wearing the factory beige paint and stripes and camel custom interior.

 

is it my imagination, or have prices skyrocketed in the last year? I bought my car right before Christmas 09 for $900, and I I can't find anything CLOSE to it for double that price. I'm seeing all kinds of nasty v6 cars with no AC and body damage for $2500.

Irocs are going for $5000-6000 in similar condition. I was expecting prices to go up eventually, but something funny is going on

 

It's back on ebay.

 

I know what you mean...my '89 Firebird (V6/5-speed) with 400,000 km was totalled when I was hit by someone running a light. Anyway, the insurance company cut me a cheque for $3800!!!!!!

Go figure, a few weeks later I bought a '91 Firebird (LO3/5-speed) with 197,000 km in a private sale and all the guy wanted was $1000.

So, while it seems that the book values are increasing as these cars age but in many other cases they are still in the funny range between old and collectable.

 

I think we are in an inbetween time where some people cars think they have a pot of gold, and others think they just have a 20 year old used car

 

We are at the point where the 1st gens were more or less in the 80's Some are crap, and you can buy one for $500 and other really nice ones go for $30,000+ Of course it depends on the options and condition, but ultimately the nice ones are getting hard to find, add low miles on it and you have a winner... The IDEAL is a Low miles TTA or Firehawk, but not too many of those out there, beyond that the 350 cars with T-tops and then the 350 cars without T-tops... I have been over it before.

 

Next to my shop is a junkyard and all day long they crush perfectly good cars for scrap. Some of them I am glad to see go and others I have to look away. I have heard from a lot of people that our third gens will never be worth squat because of the number of cars that were produced. Look at the total number of Impalas and novas that were produced in the 60's and look what they are going for now even for marginal condition. Our cars will come around, but that is not why I own mine. I LOVE MY IROC!!! THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT IT!!! Drive um and enjoy um people that's why they were built.

 

I haven't been quite so active the last few weeks since I picked up a black '98 Mustang GT so I've been spending time over on the Mustang boards, and I gotta say--the Mustang and Camaro guys are two totally different camps in terms of how we value and take care of our stuff.

Hint: no rattle can paint jobs in the Mustang crowd.

Our cars will never be worth anything because we keep ourselves down, but I've been over this time and time again.

 

oh please.................there are so many spray bombed mustangs with gay *** altezza tail lights and a cloud of blue smoke following them.

and the v6 ones get riced out with the big trash can mufflers out the back,and apc stickers all over them.

every ******* with a v8 and a "off road h pipe" thinks they have a top fuel funny car.

 

There's a lot less of those in their camp than there are in our camp.

It's pretty hard to deny it. While we rattle can our beaters and hackjob our wiring on our endless stream of $500 cars, they are putting Paxtons on their cars.

Over half the Stangs you see on Autotrader have blowers and then some. Over half the thirdgens you see on Autotrader are beaters.

 

your biased toward the fords,thats fine,to each there own,i dont personaly care for third gens or mustangs,i built my car because of the cars attributes,light,good handling,4 whl disc,easy to work on and upgrade.i would rather have an impala 78-85 or 94-97 but they dont handle and weigh a ton and a little harder to upgrade.

im not biased, so for you to say there are more of one than the other is B.S.

the mustangs are cheaper new than a comparable gm product and i bet they sold more and made more so there are most likely more beat mustangs than camaro's

come to seekonk speedway spectator drags on a holiday weekend,all **** box 5.0's primer gray ,and the modular cars with cobra emblems on them.they are all gone by the first round.

 

Puma has it right... Whether you like it or not our community allows and encourages a bunch of BS that would get you ridiculed right off the Mustang forums. For whatever reason, Camaro enthusiasts generally couldn't care less about actually appreciating the cars.

Most of what I see on this forum is pure ignorance and incompetence. People hacking up decent cars to go faster when their modification isn't going to go faster at all. Poor fitting dual exhausts when the engine in the car isn't exceeding the capability of the stock exhaust. Cutting up interiors for cup holders, or a cooler interior, or whatever but hacking up the car in the process. The finished project NEVER looks good. Their forums aren't full of people scrapping running/driving cars for no reason either.

The difference is the people and the community. The Mustang community has a lot more people that actually like the cars.

 

this is really a pointless argument,for every spray painted camaro you about i can find you 2 mustangs and vice versa,im sure the number of show cars and hack jobs are pretty close.

on the other hand, civic's are by far the most hacked up car out there.

 

I'll agree with drew mostly. it shocks me at the number of people who don't take pride in restoring a car to originality.

and yes I'm guilty of a rattle can paint job. but I like to think I did it so well that nobody would ever know it was a rattle can paint job unless I told them so. it also took the car from looking trashy 2 very presentable, and I knew it would only be a temporary thing. by this time next year I will have a real paint job and it will look great

Does this look like rattlecan to you?



Does this look like an ugly cupholder hack job to you?




bee careful about painting with that broad brush Drew

 

Nobody is talking about the junk you see on the street. We're talking about true enthusiasts here. People that wonder onto the forums and are doing more with their Camaro or Mustang then just driving it into the ground.

Our forum is chock full of idiots hacking up their cars to the cheers of more idiots. The Mustang forums are chock full of people discussing heads, cams, intakes, suspension upgrades, paint/body work, true history and options (without asking "what's my car worth" or "Is my car rare"), etc. Are there riced out junkers on their forums? Not so much. If there are, people aren't proud to post pics of them and there aren't a bunch of people saying "WOW!!! those hideous extractor fenders look great, where can I get sum?".

Part of it is the situation is that Mustang are EASY. They're easy to work on, there aren't a lot of options or different equipment to keep straight. There are a ton of parts and they're CHEAP. Almost every modification has been done, and documented so that modifying a Mustang is "paint by numbers" easy. Around here that information doesn't get seen, it gets pushed down the forum by senseless questions and "WOW check out the hole I cut in my console for my drink!!!".

For the record... I don't think a car NEEDS a cup holder at all. Some cup holder installs are less invasive then others. I haven't looked recently but for a long time there were a string of threads involving cutting up consoles and swapping consoles for cup holders, and they all looked terrible.

 

you do?......... hes talking about people like you.


that sounds like a mustang to me


still agree?,he bashed you again............

 

Actually I was talking more about threads like this...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...r-install.html



That cup holder install looks almost as good as the Harbor Freight gauges, and the custom mounting kit for the stereo. That **** would NEVER fly on the Mustang forums. That guy would be ripped so bad he'd NEVER post again.

Have you ever looked at the exhaust board here? Almost every dual exhaust posted is a hack job.

 

I dont think he did. I didnt hack up anything. I used existing holes, and everything is easily reversible.

you have to admit my paint job looks pretty good for rattle can, and its light years better than it used to be

 

MEABYE JT,ATILLA,57KID,AND DYNO DON SHOULD READ THIS...........BUT IM SURE THEY ARE TO BUSY SAWZALLING THERE INTERIORS TO INSTALL CUPHOLDERS


YOU CANT KNOCK THE WHOLE COMMUINTY OVER A FEW IDIOTS.

 

No one is knocking the "WHOLE COMMUINTY". There are some people on this forum that are very intelligent, capable, and clearly care about the quality of their work. However, there is this constant influx of hit and run boneheads that jump on the forum and participate that clearly don't have the skills to be doing the kind of projects they're trying to attempt. They don't show that level of craftsmanship, or any concern for the impact they're making.

I'm knocking the boneheads. I'm also knocking the management and moderators for being so open to the nonsense that it's killed most of the reputation this forum used to have. As a whole this forum supports the idiocy that gives these cars their current trashy stereotype. This forum has lost serious enthusiasts because they get tired of the stereotype, and being surrounded by morons. The few that remain have to have a ton of patience to keep dealing with these people in anything resembling a polite manner.

 

well that sure comes across as all of us.

but yes the place needs a spring cleaning,and yes i see pictures on here of things i would NEVER put up,even as a joke.