matt1970pon

I was just given a 1987 iroc Z.It was in a fire,drivers side seat was melted,headliner,some plastic and both side windows were smashed out.I worked on a buddies car at work and he gave me the iroc for payment.He got it for his son and he didn't do anything with it. So anyway the reason I think it might be work saving besides it being an Iroc is its a TPI 305,5 speed stick with AC..black with gray interior.I tried doing a search for value on NADA but they don't list a 5 speed as an option on the car.It does have the sticker in the center console thats how I verified its a Iroc..any thoughts....

84redta

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If you decoded the sticker and all the codes you would also know if it was an original 5 speed, i would start there. I can't remember the first year TPI and 5 speeds were merged together.

matt1970pon

also has rear disc brakes it that matters.

scottmoyer

You could get a 5 speed in 1987 with the LB9. First year.

matt1970pon

ok so on the sticker in the console I saw MM5 so yes it was a 5 speed Iroc..I'm assuming it should say LB9 also if it is a true 305 tuned port car then..I'll look tomorrow.The engine as been modified has a TPIS intake,edlbrock TI-tech headers,..I want to make sure its the correct motor..is a 5 speed AC iroc common?It does have some rust issues but I do bodywork so nothing a cutoff wheel and a welder can't fix.

Drew

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Rare? Not really, but unusual in the sense that 700R4 cars outnumber them.

matt1970pon

Rare to me is something you don't see everyday. Honestly I've had my car for about a week and threw seats in it,window glass,heater core..and now I'm driving it around. I haven't seen another 3rd generation camaro at all.Now I do remember most I've seen where auto's.So to me thats rare.Afterall having a car that not everyone has is what makes a car disirable as long as its something you would want.A rare 4 banger camaro wouldn't do BUT a 5 speed,AC,TPI 305 iroc Z might.All I'm asking is have you ever seen one because I haven't.The only other 5 speed camaro I ever saw was a 91 RS..and that was a dog...yellow though,which looks amazing.

HankL69

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It's hard to tell from the white book how many 5-speed IROCs were produced but the number of non automatic Camaros in general including v6 cars is low. Air conditioning on the other hand is very common. I don't recall ever seeing a non AC IROC.

matt1970pon

oh ok Thanks Hank..I'm new to 3rd generation camaros so I'm learning what makes them different. I always had old school muscle..1968 RS camaro,1969 chevelle,1970 lemans sport,1978 monza 400 small block(crazy) etc and any of those with AC would help the value.Now seeing as I got 5 speed iroc normally anything stick helps the value and being its the first year TPI 305 in iroc...you know where I'm going with this...

matt1970pon

Also has the bose sound system..or someone stole the rear well cover with one with speakers that say AC delco/Bose on them..damb radio is gone..I'm thinking if everything is numbers on this car I'm going completly stock..why hack it up..

Stephen

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By that definition, then I'd say almost ALL 3rd gens are "rare". The only time I see another 3rd gen, is when the local club gets together.

I have seen a HANDFUL outside the club, but I can count ALL of those on one hand (less than 5 total).....in 4 years!

matt1970pon

I haven't seen one yet..the ones I have seen in see in the past are one of two things..first hacked up,fadded paint,cut up interior with exhaust on it..OR a restored and tastefully modified car.In my opinion don't do anything that requires cutting to modify unless suspenion,or you can't put back to original by bolting back in.Once you cut something up and throw the part away..its gone forever.I'm not sure if these cars will go price wise where 1st gens are BUT 10 years ago I could have gotten an Iroc for 1500 bucks now one in the same shape goes for 2500-3000.so they are gettin there..afterall I got mine for free..that doesn't happen much anymore..hell I drove it home..cold though with no windows and heat...anyway that was alittle off base but thats what I've seen around.

Drew

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I think there are a lot more NICE thirdgens hiding in garages that you don't see because people seldom drive them to keep them nice. I've got three, so I understand how that happens.

Remember the promotion at Papa Johns? Drive your Camaro to Papa Johns, get a free pizza. I saw more nice thirdgen Camaros that one day then in the 4 years we've lived in this town. They're out there, you just don't see them unless you look for them.

I've seen plenty of 5spds in the last 15 years. Most of them are V6 cars and low output V8s, with a few HO 305's and TPI 305's. The big thing that kills the 5spd is the weakness of the T5, and the lack of any 350 5spd cars. Most people would rather have more displacement then the 5spd.

Jeffs82TA

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I would say you have a common car in rare condition

Iroctopless

Technically speaking the 5 speed wasn't an "option" on the car, it was the standard (base) transmission. All the '87's had a choice of two trannies, the 5spd or the auto (exception being on any year of the 5.7L, which all had only the auto).

Hard to say how many IrocZ's had the 5spd. Overall for '87, out of the 137,760 Camaro's made, 22,651 had the 5spd. Roughly 16%.

Personally, I'd take a 5.0TPI 5spd over the 5.7L auto any day. I enjoy driving, and being part of the shifting is part of the passion. Of coarse the best would have been the most cubic inches and a standard tranny.
Take what you can get I guess, or modify.

matt1970pon

I agree love manual cars...car also has the G92 option.Just checked it out. I will take a picture of the RPO sticker and post it if I can get a clear picture.I don't know why some people get an attitude when you say something is rare or different.Ok how about this,its unique..will that make people happy?I just wanted to share some excitement about what I have since like I said I'm new to 3rd generation camaros,got the car for free and its not the most common car around.So if I offended anyone sorry..I thought most of you would like to know about a cool find and that I'm not gonna cut it up and ruin whats rare about it..

AmorgetRS

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The problem is that everyone thinks they have a rare car and that makes it worth more. You see it all the time when people are trying to sell the car. The car isn't unique, either. I would best describe it as uncommon, but even that is isn't that uncommon.

It is a cool find, however you generally won't get a good response asking if your car is rare, because 99.999% of the time it isn't rare. If it was rare the previous owner would of know it and sold it as such.

matt1970pon

ok I agree with that..I still like the fact that I had 2 people look at it today and said "wow its a stick don't see many of those".I do think however if I were to sell it,which I don't want to I'm having to much fun, A 5 speed would be a plus..I'm learning..lol

AmorgetRS

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It's a plus to some... however look at the production numbers and you'll see that the 5 speed wasn't a plus to about 70% of people. You definitely have a well optioned "drivers car" with the G92, TPI and 5 speed

matt1970pon

I love the torque curve on the TPI 305 5-speed. I had a 1970 lemans sport with a 400 4-speed in it.You could hang in gears alot longer..the camaro your out of first very quickly and when you pop into 5th at about 60 the engine rpms drop to about 1500..and it just cruises.Sounds amazing.Handles great..its nice being able to downshift and go...

Awesome-X

Sounds like a nice car, throw up some pictures!

matt1970pon

matt1970pon

one interior picture..headliner is still burnt up. the seats are base model since the deluxe seats got burnt up.I got the whole set for 50 bucks so couldn't beat it.Has no radio but will soon..

87IROC-DAN61

Hello HankL69!!

I have a "factory" NON A/C IROC-Z, no T-tops either, with 305 TPI, 5-Speed, and four wheel disk brakes!!

Do I have a rare IROC???

hardon85

Good point here saying "if I were to sell it,which I don't want to" If you plan on keeping the car, the value means nothing. If you like driving a 5 speed (in my time I have found 1 3rd gen enthusiast who didn't, saying "I don't know how and I will just look stupid trying so I have never learned") then it really doesn't matter what the car is (IROC RS or just a base camaro) just enjoy the car (which is what this site is all about)

osso12

Thats great!
I have heard of the AC delete before and the drive train combinations
but factory rear disk brakes on a 305 car?
THAT i have never heard of. I would say rare in this sense. What are the numbers on this one people?

JamesC

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RPO J65 on a 305 is fairly common. For example, 82-86 (pre-dating the 350), there were about 80,000 J65 cars.

JamesC

osso12

Thanks JamesC! I guess I never seen one of the 80,000
What are the numbers on the ac delete?
Also where is this "white book" everyone is talking about or do you have to buy it?

JamesC

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No numbers on the AC delete, at least in the White Book.

Mike Antonick's Genuine Camaro White Book 1967-1997 (I understand there's a revised edition). ISBN: 0-933534-40-X. I purchase mine several years ago at Borders, IIRC.

JamesC

osso12

Thanks JamesC! First gen's too! Ill have to go get that one!

matt1970pon

its the NADA classic car guide..well thats what i go on...its online.

JamesC

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I assume the NADA is pricing? The White Book provides production numbers, facts by year, factory options (RPO's) with qty. and retail cost, color and interior codes and so on--again by year. If you're a Camaro guy, the book is indispensable.

JamesC

87 player bird

All 87 players cars were 5 speed, tpi, non ac g92 4 wheel disc cars as well.

matt1970pon

Thanks James..I will pick it up.

osso12

I just ordered what looks to be a new latest 4th edition of the book.
160 pps as opposed to128 pps of the first edition.
Shop around as it is pretty pricey to say the least...
$142 @ amazon for new.

jharrison5

I have the same problem with never seeing them, but every time I find one for sale I seem to end up buying it. Call me a shelter for battered and left for dead 3rd gens.

Jason89RS

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Actually the first year a TPI 305 was in an IROC was in 85....but only with an auto

87IROC-DAN61

Hello 87 player bird!!

I wish I had some better news about my car, but I don't........my car doesn't have the G92 option on the SPID, nor does it have the A/C delete RPO!! What it does have, is the "C41" manual climate controls, and all the stuff that comes with G92!! The one exception is, my car was "molested" at a young age (first year of it's life, being 1987), someone "stole" the original proper rear end out of the car!! It came with the G80 GM3 (3:45 ratio) posi Borg Warner 7.75 rear with J65 four wheel disks, and it was replaced with a G80 GW6 (3:27 ratio) posi Borg Warner 7.75 rear with J65 four wheel disks!!!

Is it a Players Car??? Not as far as I know!!!

JamesC

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Good grief. Can that be the same book? I ask because I bought mine in paper a few years ago for $12.95.

JamesC

Stephen

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$85-$95 on fleaBay.

HankL69

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Just checked my latest copy of the white book, (1967-1993) inside the front cover is an order form listing the price as $11.95 plus $3 shipping/ handling. I bought it at a swap meet somewhere. Is this new edition hard cover with color pics. Even if it is the price seems over the top. The one I have is nice because it fits into the console so you can keep it on hand for easy reference. I agree with JamesC if you are interested in Camaros the book is a must. It doesn't list all RPOs but the common ones are all there.

JamesC

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The following White Book is out of stock apparently, but note the $15.95 price:

http://www.chevy-camaro.com/shop/Camaro-White-Book.asp

If you have a bookstore nearby, such as Borders, you might drop in and take a peek. No telling what you might find.

JamesC

Drew

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I saw that astronomical price on the White Book a while back. $10-15 is fair. The newest version seems to include more on that 4th gens. I doubt the 82-92 section has changed at all. I've got the 67-97 version in my library, it's more then sufficient for what is basically a field guide to thirdgens. The Firebird Red Book is nice, but it's no where near as handy as the White Book.

osso12

Same book different revision, and different front cover.
Softbound book, 165 pages, 75 B % W photos, years expanded from
1967-2002. New book not used. Paid $15.99 for it.

Desc

"CAMARO WHITE BOOK
Camaro White Book 1967-1997: First introduced in 1985 , this latest edition has been rewritten from cover to cover and re-sized. The books new size and text format permitted the addition of much more data, and all years from 1967-1997 are included. The Camaro White Book lists facts, numbers, interior and exterior component codes, color and option quantities and more. This is not a collection of reprinted inaccurate old data charts. This is start from scratch, thoroughly researched, professionally illustrated and beautifully printed and bound. Now you can get all the facts! The Camaro White book puts phenomenal expertise at the fingertips of the enthusiast. Expertise that can be invaluable in buying, selling, or restoring your Camaro. Softbound,128 pages, 32 photos, 4.375 x 8.25."

yo soy el warg

In your latest edition (165 page version) of the Camaro White Book is there anything on the 1985 1C5 "California" Iroc-Z?

osso12

Ill let you know when I get the book. Should be less than a week.
If the book is not back ordered that is...lol

okfoz

My Whitebook is the 2003 release, but it only has 158 pages... I guess if I add in the last page it has an order form... it takes up 2 pages...

No it does not include the 1C5 cars... sorry. I actually have a penciled in production figure of 502 units at $75.00 Retail...

John

scottmoyer

I bought mine when the new edition first came out and paid $12.

yo soy el warg

The edition that I own of the Camaro White Book is the same 2003 Edition that you have. I've also penciled in the same figures that you did in yours of 502 units and instead of $75.00 retail, is a -$75.00 credit. That is why I asked if this other Edition that (osso12) was ordering might contain any other information referring to the 1C5 "California" Iroc-Z that wasn't in my old edition. I don't plan to buy another! If you look around on the internet you'll see that there are 3 other editions of the same book after 2003 that might have some different info. They all have the same 2002 Camaro on the cover, but are different editions in later years. The differences are hard to see. Look at the bottom of the front pages of the various editions since they don't say what edition they are on the inside cover. Differences such as "All productions models", "1967-2002", and variations of these "two terms" are different on each of these editions in their placement and size on the cover page. They are hard to notice unless you "look closely" to details. By the way, the edition that is bringing $140.00 a copy is the 1967 to 1997 edition that Drew mentioned that he had bought.

osso12

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