zya5point0

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https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/d/aston-1986-camaro-z28/7079673335.html

dagwood

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https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...079673335.html


I don't really think it's that far out of line. It looks like a SUPER nice car. I think $10 grand would be a closer mark...

Drew

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An LG4 auto 86 Z28 without the Iroc package, 76k miles and a repaint? That car's a long way down the list. I don't see that one selling anytime soon.

dagwood

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A lot depends on the quality of that repaint... and yeah, I don't see it bringing $12 grand...

F-body-fan

Clean Car for sure, but the only draw I see is that its been in the family since new. If they have all the documents that go with that statement, thats kind of cool. It seems to be in the neighborhood of 86 Iroc money so unless somebody is looking for a twin to their HS car & has to have it, thats probably going to be tough to sell.

Would that car have had RWL, Eagle GT's originally or maybe black walls? just curious.

dagwood

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I believe it would have came with RWL Eagle GT tires

BizJetTech

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F-body-fan

Are 215/65/15's correct like Kelsey sells? Always liked the look of those tires. My 87 Trans am had them back in the day & bought the same tire as a replacements set back in 1990 or 91 ish. Right about the time the +4 was soon replacing them iirc.

https://www.kelseytire.com/performan...-gt-80-84-owl/ A bit expensive for what they are though..... I could see spending $250 each if I had a car that they were oem on.

dagwood

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Yep, those are the ones

Drew

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Yes, someone whod pay asking price in this car would probably be cut from the same cloth as one that'd spend $250 each for 15" tires instead of stepping up to at least a 17.


All that blimp and racing advertising must really pay off, because Goodyear tires are pure crap.

topduarte

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I see $7500 max imo

John in RI

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140 Speedo in a Carb car,.........

Correct me if I'm wrong,......... but that's not the original cluster for the car - right ????

indy82z

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I have an 87 IROC LG4 car that came with a 145MPH speedo. I know the 86's came with them as I had a buddy with one way back in the early 90's.

John in RI

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Tom, You've made me realized that I sure don't know 'for-sure' that the 86 above is factory or altered,... so I'm gonna' edit my last post.

For background,...
I've owned 86 Z28, IROCs, & Coupes with a factory 85MPH Speedo.
Not a single Carbureted 86 Z28 or IROC I've ever owned had a 145 Speedo.
I've owned several 86 TPI Z28s & IROCs that had a factory 145 Speedo,..... but never in any Carb 86.
I've never owned an 87 LG4 (Carb) Z28 or IROC,... the 87's were all TPI and had 145 speedo.)

Chevy was selling the Z28 & IROC with the 85MPH cluster in the first part of the year ( https://berlinetta.info/media/86Page8-9.jpg ) but - as this site points out - the change to 145's came late in 86 and I always thought Carb cars continued to get the 85MPH units. Maybe it was just by chance that the 86' Carb Camaros I've owned were early/mid year cars,.....?

Drew

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Not sure it really matters. This car is not exactly prime collector bait, and the odometer reading isn't super low enough to really bring a premium. If a person is buying, they'd be further ahead to buy based on condition rather than an arbitrary number on the dash. So does it really matter if the speedometer is 100% original to the car? There's no RPO code for it, and it looks right at home in the dash, so no big deal.

F-body-fan

Just for the sake of discussion, was there an RPO for the gauges, or speedo type? seeing there were several in the era, I was just curious. Not that a build sheet is being presented here on this car, but I am wondering how GM kept that straight on the assembly line if there was no RPO, or maybe the cluster was already grouped with other parts based on the cars drivetrain RPO?

I am guessing there is not, or I would have seen this talked about in the past

EDIT:
Not sure how I missed Drews comment above "there's no RPO for it"
Not enough coffee yet...

How do you supposed they kept it straight?

Drew

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So we have to see chart 9.735...



Hmm, It does have an RPO, U21 apparently... I'm gonna blame the lapse in judgement on the Busch Light virus and the influence of Halls cough drops + insomnia.

Edit: Or wait... U21 is for full gauges vs idiot lights. So they're going based on Z28 with gauges, 1st or 2nd design... But then I slept like hell last night and am subsisting on cough drops, and haven't had my daily dose of caffeine... I'll come back to this a bit later LOL

Drew

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Alright. Lunch is finished, cat is satisfied, caffeine consumed, messes cleaned up, brain tumor knocked back into it's normal place... Let's take another look at this and try to make sense of this muddled chart.

We can throw out all the FS entries since this isn't a Berlinetta. We can throw out all the Z49 entries since it's not a Canadian car. And we can throw out all the 2.8L cars because it's not a V6. We can also throw out 25071448 since that's an idiot light cluster. We can ignore note 003 since who cares. And we'll toss out the 5.7 entries since they don't exist...

That leaves us with...
25081458 (305G) w/GA (U21), Z28 (1st Design) (Note 001)
25081455 (5.0F, 305H) w/GA (U21), Z28 (1st Design) (Note 001)
25084006 (305G) w/GA (U21) (2nd Design) (Note 001)
25084004 (5.0F, 305H) w/GA (U21), Z28 (2nd Design) (Note 001)

Note 001 - US Cluster 1st Des 85mph Speedo, 2nd Des 145mph Speedo

It's a bit confusing now, because 5.0F is the 305 TPI, 305H is the LG4 low output carb, 305G is the L69 HO. We can edit 25084006, since the L69 was Z28 only.. Let's make those all the same format so it's jsut a little less retarded. And put them in numerical order because we're not neanderthals...

25081455 (305F, 305H) w/GA (U21), Z28 (1st Design) (Note 001)
25081458 (305G) w/GA (U21), Z28 (1st Design) (Note 001)
25084004 (305F, 305H) w/GA (U21), Z28 (2nd Design) (Note 001)
25084006 (305G) w/GA (U21), Z28 (2nd Design) (Note 001)

Note 001 - US Cluster 1st Des 85mph Speedo, 2nd Des 145mph Speedo

So we've got a 85 and 145mph clusters with the only difference being for the L69. We can throw out the L69s since the pictures show an LG4.

25081455 (305F, 305H) w/GA (U21), Z28 (1st Design) (Note 001)
25084004 (305F, 305H) w/GA (U21), Z28 (2nd Design) (Note 001)

Note 001 - US Cluster 1st Des 85mph Speedo, 2nd Des 145mph Speedo

So by the process of elimination, the only indicator is production date. Now there may or may not be an actual cut off date or VIN number in the book, but it's not on those chart pages, and I'm a bit parts catalogged out at the moment. Thus, either cluster would be open to debate based on VIN production/Date codes)

Duty calls, hope that helps clear it up.

F-body-fan

Wow, thats some impressive deciphering!

John in RI

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Agreed !

I used the "column" info to trace the 87 cars. Eliminate the whole 2 design thing and see how they did it for a full year. Based on the cluster PN you can see exactly what Speedo head was mounted in each cluster. In 87 as long as the car was a Z28 or an IROC - Codes 1HV and 1PV - it got the 145; even the LG4. The only Speedo head shown for the coupe is the 85MPH unit. If they did the same thing in 86 as in 87,... any/every Z28 or IROC ( after what-ever date or production number ) got the 145 in 86.

After all these years, I'm still learnin' !!

indy82z

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Yes, my 87 has 1HV and it is a 145mph speedo car with the good ole' LG4.

F-body-fan

What was the deal behind the different speedos back then? Was there regulations, or just a GM thing? I remember most cars in the 70's having 120 speedos, & early trans am's having 160's. Then it seemed like 100 mph was the normal in the later 70's followed by 85 mph in just about everything. I drove a Z24 cavalier back in the 80's that had a digital dash, I was so disappointed when it started blinking at 85 & would not go any higher. The Z28 & the Corvette where possibly the departure from the 85mph thing in the mid 80s?

The only advantage I could see is to make the driver think he/she is going way too fast at 65 or so & a wider field of view between 50-60? Otherwise I never really understood the 85mph bombardment by 1980-ish

LeonardS

The Interstate speed limit was 55 mph in the mid 70’s and beyond, so they probably figured 85 was enough at the time. Just a guess.

Drew

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For a period of time that ended in the mid-80's speedometers with speeds over 85mph were verboten. That's why you'd see things like this until roughly 1986.



The other deciding factor that applies to thirdgens in general is tires. Speed rated tires generally were paired with the higher speed speedometer.