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Old 01-19-2019, 05:40 PM
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ABS HARDTOP HEADLINER VS OEM

pics for those would think about buying the aftermarket plastic abs headliner for hard top, couldn't find many after pics on here except for one guy in car after install but he didnt have the A-pillars on to show how bad it is

basically the abs headliners (think there all the same) i bought mine from rock auto 170 shipped arent long enough, besides the fact that they are much heavier, the shape isnt correct, and has the bar down the middle

i was on the classifieds a bout a week ago looking for a original one but was finally able to get my hands on one from a junk yard for 40 bucks gonna reinforce it and recover it along with deleting the sun visors and dome light holes

before i sell, return, or throw out the new abs headliner i thought id take some pics now that i have the two together keep in mind that i also modified the abs board by un glueing the fabric on the front two corners and reglueing it down in a different position to make it a bit wider to hide the gap shown in last 2 pics







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Old 01-19-2019, 05:42 PM
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last 2 pics show how i modified the abs board by reglueing the front coners a little wider first few show original under and over the abs headliner
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I had this issue on the abs one i bought from hawks. it was at least an inch short all the way around
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:55 PM
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I had this issue on the abs one i bought from hawks. it was at least an inch short all the way around
i got my car with an abs headliner it was installed really bad and the front by the windshield was warped (another bad thing about the plastic backing) so it was hanging down i was able to sell that one and thought just maybe the original owner didnt take his time to install it

been driving headliner less since then and thought id buy another aftermarket abs headliner hoping the original owner installed it wrong.. nope was the same

i did get it to fit pretty good by moving the headliner toward the front windshield to cover the gaps around the A pillars but then the back was short so i had to unglue and reglue the fabric to "make" it longer in the end though i was within return period so i sent it back right after i found a original one

this was the only other pics i found but doesnt do justice since he doesnt have the trim on but you can see alot of black on his front windshield meaning the headliner isnt long enough he also has a pretty good sized dimple warpage by his dome light

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...headliner.html

dont think its worth the almost 200 i paid and 3-400 other vendors are selling them for and forget about the t-top version
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Re: ABS HARDTOP HEADLINER VS OEM

Just purchased an ABS t-top headliner and did a test fit, .75" short. As this is ABS they can be modified, and I am in the process of doing that. The t-top version is much easier to do that with as the lengthening can be done at the point where there is the least amount of stress on it, except for the length it was a good fit. There are certainly advantages to the ABS, the edge strength and durability otherwise. I will do an exact weight comparison and post the results.
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These ABS Headliners have been around for quite a while. Many have been sold over the years and people have been complaining about the fit and how they are short. I have yet to read a good review on ANY of them.
You would think by now, the people buying these, and the venders making them, could get together and get the fit correct. A lot of money is spent on these and they ought to be right.
Are people just saying....Awe, that's good enough? I think not.

The vendors need to know there is an issue.
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Just purchased an ABS t-top headliner and did a test fit, .75" short. As this is ABS they can be modified, and I am in the process of doing that. The t-top version is much easier to do that with as the lengthening can be done at the point where there is the least amount of stress on it, except for the length it was a good fit. There are certainly advantages to the ABS, the edge strength and durability otherwise. I will do an exact weight comparison and post the results.
I just bought an ABS t-top version ''PUI'', my son does upholstery and says this headliner needs massaged to fit correct otherwise with the tops off you see under the liner in areas.
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I will do an exact weight comparison and post the results.
I KNEW you were going to go there!

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doesn't take long to get to know me, huh?
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doesn't take long to get to know me, huh?
No sir. I like the way you think. As an old autocrosser, I tend to think this way about everything. It might be for my low-power stock T/A, or my tow vehicle...if I've got something apart, and I think there's a way to make it "better" (including lighter), then why not?
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Sounds like the feeling is mutual, I like how you think.
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When I re-did my headliner years ago I looked at the factory backing board and went... this is just compressed glass fiber or something similar... SO I put fiberglass resin on it to stiffen it up, then 3m spray adhesive. Other than getting my corners a little too tight it looks good still. I think I did that in 2003 ish?
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These ABS Headliners have been around for quite a while. Many have been sold over the years and people have been complaining about the fit and how they are short. I have yet to read a good review on ANY of them.
You would think by now, the people buying these, and the venders making them, could get together and get the fit correct. A lot of money is spent on these and they ought to be right.
Are people just saying....Awe, that's good enough? I think not.

The vendors need to know there is an issue.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
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Charlie....you had the same thing with the "TUNED PORT INJECTION" emblem...if I recall. 1
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Charlie....you had the same thing with the "TUNED PORT INJECTION" emblem...if I recall. 1
I did!

And I'll add, the manufacturer said he'd retool the emblem and send me a sample for my inspection. That was like two years ago and I'm still waiting.

The bottom line is, the parts don't have to suck.
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I have repeated this several times here, gotten into arguments over it with other members, but I will say it again. Save your original headliner board. A little fiberglass and resin will fix it up. If it is too far gone find another. Mine was a mess and I repaired it, and had it recovered and it is good as new, maybe a little stronger.
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I have repeated this several times here, gotten into arguments over it with other members, but I will say it again. Save your original headliner board. A little fiberglass and resin will fix it up. If it is too far gone find another. Mine was a mess and I repaired it, and had it recovered and it is good as new, maybe a little stronger.
That is good advice no matter what the project, don't get rid of the old stuff until you know the new stuff works...
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Well I weighed them today, the stocker is 2 pounds and the ABS is 3....
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I'd do a little victory dance and proclaim another victory for the stock piece. But in reality, you will almost certainly have to reinforce the stock one, which will add weight. Probably ends up as about a wash, I would think.
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Yes I'd hoped to use the stock one, had a perfect one, but had it out of the car and a corner of it got crushed under a shop cart. Too much damage to repair so will use the hard one until I can find a good stocker. The weight is so close, and they weigh so little overall anyway....
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Couple of pics of the ABS headliner put in position in the car. The difference is a full inch, and it really shows.....
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Wow. That's pretty bad.
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Sub-optimal.
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I did the ABS in mine, the material failed due to bad prep within 6 month, had to take it to an upholster and have it recovered.
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