Exactly.


Keep looking, there are forced induction LS cars out there that if they are not faster now with a carb they will be, there is nothing you can do about it because of the way the carb cools the intake air temperature allowing more timing and power. Just life and you have to deal with it.

 

Yes, my GTA has an LT1 in it, but I also have a '98 T/A as well, so I know both pretty well.

People are building FI because it's the technology that is more promonant these days, when is the last time you've seen a new car with a carb on it?

I still say it's putting old tech on a new style motor and takes away from what the motor was designed for from the manufacturer, and yes the fastest LSx motor is FI, not carbed.

 

to fit an air filter, youd need to use the short GM intake, and drop the motor somehow. either custom motor mount, dropped k member(pa use to sell them) or space your body up from your k member like the mustang guys do.

 

LOL, here is the 4th gen i just sold that i converted:




But you do realize that they are not even factory FI systems though right? Because the factory setups are not good enough for the ones making crazy power levels?

 

They may not be factory FI systems, but they are still FI.

 

you know everyone is going to say it is this or that. i dont care if it is factory or not. electronic or not. IT IS FUEL INJECTION ON A TOP FUEL DRAGSTER.
AND THE FASTEST LSX CARS IN THE WORLD ARE FUEL INJECTION. man some will not let it lye. it is a proven fact over and over that the fastest are fuel injection. whether electronic or oil bath 50's style. it is still fuel injection. and the carbs being used to make good power did not come on a factory car either.

 

just because someone is the fastest, doesnt mean they make the most power.
who cares who is the fastest?
i will never be, i run a carb!

 

wow. 90% of the time the fastest makes the most power.

 

Dude, visit TTF, those guys use stock 650 double pumpers and mod them and boost the hell out of them. That being said, you cannot do that with stock injectors and all the what not that needs to be swapped to boost the hell out of a LS, so you are wrong.

 

Back to the subject at hand. A victor with a carb will fit under the hood barely but an air cleaner will not fit. I still think the only hood that MAY work is a formula hood on a firebird. Here are some pictures on a members LSX with a carb and victor jr.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...my-87-lsx.html

 

someone said that the fuel injection that people were using did not come from the factory installed on a car. a car from the factory did not come withn a carb that was setup for a blow thru for forced induction. when will yall suffice. it is a proven fact stated by all here.

the fastest lsx enbgines whether they did a carb run or not are fuel injected. that was the main argument. period.

when you show me another vehicle that is carbed and not fuel injected and makes 8000hp. then i will believe that a carb is better.

 

Dude lets agree to disagree. You are comparing apples to oranges. The mechanical fuel injection used on Top Fuel Dragsters and Nitro Funny Cars is NOTHING AT ALL like electronic fuel injections. Since they both have the word "injection" in them I will concede that you win the argument however futile it may be.

When you take the LSX powered cars yes the fastest ones are fuel injected but that is such a small cross section of the FASTEST cars in drag racing. My point is in the world of heads up street car racing the engine is just an air pump and there are more carbed cars then fuel injected period.

Not to mention anyone in the "Know" knows that prostock cars have more technology and research and development than the Fuel cars. High horse power numbers does not always mean that there is more technology in the engine. What do prostock cars run? Thats right they run carbs. Basically there is a lot more engineering to run 6.50's without any power adder when the entire class is separated by less then 2 tenths. Can we please

 

why can't this argument be continued in a private message? and you cant compare a gasoline engine to a nitro methane engine. its like comparing a diesel engine to a turbofan engine. yes they use nearly the same fuel but they are not the same.

 

I am not saying a carb is better, but they make more peak power.

 

ok i will suffice. carbs may make more peak hp on the street in there app. but i would have to say that there are more fuel injected ones. but hey. both go fast.

as for the original question. i havent seen it with a stock hood. if i remember right the carb intake with a carb and an air cleaner are a lot taller than even a truck intake. hey i think that xpndble has one. his looks to sit high.

 

I will agree to disagree also. But.....

Prostock is regulated by rules, not technology. Warren Johnson and several other drivers have been trying to get them to allow FI for years. They wont.



Wonder why?


But from what I have seen, and read the carb wont fit, without a cowl.

 

wow....ha!
i can make 4000hp, but can i get it down the track?
do you see where i am going?

 

if you know what you are doing. see where im going?

 

Well, the fact is, a car with more average power from its given operating range will out perform a car with a bit more peak power if it is just a quick ramp in power with a quick drop off. That is a reason the LT1 sucks on the dyno compared to the LS1, the LT1 looks like climbing a hill, steep hill and the LS1 is like going over a stretched rainbow.

 

there are THOUSANDS of racers that know what they are doing but cant get the job done.
how many times have you need a setup not make it down the track off the line, or haze the tires past the 60ft, or get squirrely on the big end. i know ive seen countless passes of high hp cars that cant get the 60ft down, or have the mph but cant make the ET match. this goes along with the quote below also. not arguing. stating facts.


YES.... but to get down the track you need proper gearing to use the most power available.
all the average power in the world cant help you if you are falling below it on the shift.

 

So wait....
We went from "carbs make more power" (which hasnt been proven)
to "carbs are in the fastest LS1 cars" (which was proven wrong)
to "carbs can make it down the track better" ? Really?


And noone can tell the OP if it will fit under his hood for sure.

 

Well, time and time again i have seen carbs make more power, it is even easier on a LS engine with a original style intake since the LS1/LS6 and even the FAST intakes cut off the air flow and certain lift numbers.

 

where did i mention carbs?
its a generalization.
all the talk of what makes the most power and whats the fastest.
doesnt matter if its carb or efi, its got to get down the track.

 

wow. i thought that the fastest efi lsx car made it down the track great. most fast cars do if they are set up right. heck even the best have a bad day.


no a carb set up on an lsx will not fit under a stock hood with an aircleaner.

 

My bad. It seemed at first that you might be leaning toward the "carbs are the best" group. I agree 100%, you have to make it work.

Its become a retarded argument anyway. FI is here to stay, and I dont see the manufacturers going backwards, and putting carbs on. The guys running them like them for various reasons, looks, familiarity, cleanliness, and thats their prerogative. If I had a car that came with a carb, Id stay with it. But if Im going to the trouble to add the latest, most advanced engine platform, I cant see it. And thats my prerogative. (Cue the Bobby Brown music)

 

I read that the carb intake manifold from chevrolet performance is a little shorter than the edelbrock. I can't find any specs on the pro system carb dimensions. If it's shorter than a typical carb, that would be another plus. An inch to an inch and a half may make the difference for hood clearance.

 

gm single plane is going to be shorter than the vic jr. a pro systems carb is a reworked holley. all 4150's are going to have almost identical overall deminsions. you can save some room by hacking the vent tubes, and some trick carbs with aftermarket baseplates are thicker by a few fractions of an inch over a stock holley, but thats splitting hairs.

 

ya know, when I didn't get a response, after a few days, I stopped checking, until I stumbled across this today, about 6 years later!!!!

and if I can chime in on the debate, here's my opinion. -bare with me for a sec. I was watching this show on Killer Whales the other day, and up in the arctic, they have this tactic to get seals that are layin' out on floating ice sheets. Four or five of these whales all swim side by side, at full speed right up to the edge, then dive under the ice. The displaced water creates a vacuum effect and tips the ice sheet under the water. Then, the counter effect lifts the edge of the ice up, and all that water runs down the ice sheet, washing the seal off the other side, and into the water where the whales are now waiting. These are fish, people. Porpoises actually. The fact that animals figured this out, by working together is pretty darn impressive, even if we humans are a little more advanced.

Some guy, over a hundred years build the first carb out of dirt, with a hammer and some duct tape. Today, GM's top mechanical and computer engineers are designing fuel injection systems, and you guys are HONESTLY having a legitimate debate as to which one is better. It's like an NFL team beating a pop warner team of pee wees 24-17, and then bragging that they're better. How can you NOT be a fan of the carb!?!?!?!?!!?!?

For the record I'm still running TPI.

 

Not everyone can be cool like the TPI crowd

How's it going Chris, haven't seen you in forever