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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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lq9 swap

I recently purchased a Lq9 from a friend its brand new in the crate

this are the parts i have now

Lq9 long block
Lsx swap long tube headers
Tubular K member
Tubular A arms with spring perches
ls1 wiring harness with ecu
ls1 coil pack
Ported ls1 throttle body
Ls6 intake manifold
tps sensor
cam pos sensor
tb sensor
fuel press sensor
oil level sensor
vss
coolant tank 4th gen f body


This is the list i have of parts i need to get her running let me know if i left anything out

Ls6 fuel rail
Fuel injectors (dont know what size to get yet open to ideas)
crank pos sensor
knock sensor x2 (and sensor harness)
front pulley drive kit with Water pump
Map sensor
spark plugs and wires
Mass air flow sensor ( another dont know which one to get)
ecu programer? do i need it if i get it tuned? and vice versa
O2 sensors x 2
motor mounts
4th gen fuel tank ( i heard i can run a external kit with a return line.) lmk with this also
and oh yeah a 4l60e lol

im really new to the LS engines if you guys have any ideas on stuff i need just let me know. for now im just wanting to get her running a drivable then i'll upgrade the heads cam etc etc.

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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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does the long block not come with any sensors?
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 03:36 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

this are the parts i have now

Lq9 long block
Lsx swap long tube headers - Not required
Tubular K member - Not required
Tubular A arms with spring perches - Not required
ls1 wiring harness with ecu - Harness much be modified to use properly and its a PCM (sorry pet peeve)
ls1 coil pack - Hopefully there are 8 of these with the LS1 specific mini harnesses
Ported ls1 throttle body
Ls6 intake manifold
tps sensor
cam pos sensor
tb sensor - Id assume this is the IAC since the TPS is already spoken for
fuel press sensor - Not required, even with the 4th gen tank
oil level sensor - Not required, just plug the hole in the pan
vss - Should come with the new trans
coolant tank 4th gen f body


This is the list i have of parts i need to get her running let me know if i left anything out

Ls6 fuel rail - Identical to the LS1
Fuel injectors (dont know what size to get yet open to ideas) - 26 or 28lbs, the PCM must be retuned, so grab whatever you want and program for them
crank pos sensor
knock sensor x2 (and sensor harness) - Beware there are two styles to this and they must be matched to function
front pulley drive kit with Water pump
Map sensor
spark plugs and wires - Match your wires to the coil pack brackets, truck pieces require longer wires
Mass air flow sensor ( another dont know which one to get) - Car or truck, just match the connector to it
ecu programer? do i need it if i get it tuned? and vice versa - The PCM must be tuned, no getting around it
O2 sensors x 2 - Beware the many many different types
motor mounts - Options for both LS1 style and SBC retrofit
4th gen fuel tank ( i heard i can run a external kit with a return line.) lmk with this also - Not required. Pointless if using an inline pump, dont forget to change the sending unit to a 90ohm piece
and oh yeah a 4l60e lol
Add to the list some sort of cable box to drive your speedo. The most popular one is the Cable-x box
Next you will need some sort of fuseblock/relay center. Your car will not have enough fuses or relays in place to support the LSx
I nearly missed it, but you dont have a Fbody pan listed, also required
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 05:39 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

oh yeah i do have the f body oil pan with the pick up i took some pics of the major parts i have its in my photo bucket

the fuse box huh so i'll try to get one from a junked 4th gen then thanks pocket
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Old Feb 7, 2010 | 12:20 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

throttle cable?

Making this same list and digging through what I've got. You just reminded me I need a MAF too.

and to save yourself time and money, it appears the LS1 & LS6 fuel rails are the same from what I found. Might save you from the LS6-tax markup.
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 08:59 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

got almost everything you guys mentioned just need the front drive pulley set (minus the crank pulley and alternator)

i need
the starter, air intake, air manifold/throttle body bolts

hopefully can get a deal locally for the 4l60e but its not looking good if i cant get the trans i might have to wait till one pops up

wife is pissed i have half the living room full of boxes.... she wants this done just as bad as i do lmao
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

do you know how long of a cable i need? i see 46' and 36' lokar has a set for 100 with the bracket and adjusting nut
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

Take a stiff piece of wire and mock the route it would take then measure that
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

Following this.
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 12:09 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

thanks bro i will do it this week. just sitting here waiting for the fed ex and ups guys to come deliver my stuff.

i'll start taking pics of the parts and swap wheni start it im just collecting parts now to get her ready
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 12:17 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

Use the 36'' throttle cable, part # LOK-TC-1000LS1
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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sweet thanks dyno


i have ls1 coil packs too forgot to mention


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got pretty lucky the guy who sold me the harness labled everything for me so i wont have to guess

this is some more stuff that came in today

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got throttle body and a bunch of sensors and a zo6 maf (got the 5-3 pin harness too) the crank pulley alternator and the 10.4 mm plug wires
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 06:07 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

Id trade that MAF for one with a screen still in it
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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Does the Z06 MAF come with a screen?
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

It should. Every MAF Ive ever seen came with a screen. Its purpose is to smooth airflow for a more accurate reading
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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I've seen pics of supposedly new ones for sale that didn't have the screen.
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 08:55 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

the z06 maf came from the factory without a screen.
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

Learn something new everyday

I still would run a screened MAF
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

i ran one for about a year on a 2002 silvy with nos on it. at first i thought it was great. till i started reading it in hp tuners and found it getting turbulants. it could be tuned in. i ended up with a screened maf. way better esults since the air across the sensors is straightened out. and from my experience a naturally aspirated engine will be able to go really far before it will outperform a stock maf.
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Old Mar 4, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

Nice! Same swap im doing! Im in!
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 07:17 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

i can just pop a screen in there not a big deal. i just want to get this thing in there already. tunning and upgrades are gona come later
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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Re: lq9 swap

Jay, let me know when your ready, I'll get you a good deal on the tranny, converter, and flexplate.
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 02:05 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

Originally Posted by battz86
Jay, let me know when your ready, I'll get you a good deal on the tranny, converter, and flexplate.

ok kool just picked up the ls1 fuel tank. got it for 100 bux with teh pump just need the new lines. i figured i save some money and just get a autometer fuel gauge. i dont think i should have a problem with this set up.


i can pay for the trans next paycheck just text me the price if it didnt change. thanks bro
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RockJay81
ok just picked up the ls1 fuel tank. got it for 100 bux with teh pump just need the new lines. i figured i save some money and just get a autometer fuel gauge. i dont think i should have a problem with this set up.
That's what I did. We'll see if it's a problem (shouldn't be).
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

The 'vettes and F-cars don't need screens, but the trucks do. The reason for the difference is the vette and F use a straight shot from the filter into the TB, but the trucks used a 90-degree bend.
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 03:54 PM
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I would think the shot to the MAF would be more important.
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Old Mar 5, 2010 | 07:35 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

IIRC, in the trucks, the fresh air made the 90-degree bend before getting to the MAF, then was a straight shot from the MAF to the TB. The screen helps straighten out the airflow.
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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just got in the trans cross member from pocket. thanks bro

got the hummer starter its real small

and the power steering reservoir.

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got this in yesterday the dual fans, the mounting hardware for the fans, intake bolts the fan relays and the throttle cable. waiting for a few more things like the power steering pump, iac sensor,knock sensors and the reservoir bracket. should be good to go in 2 weeks or so.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 12:50 AM
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Is that a Mr. Gasket throttle cable? Where'd you pick that up? Is it a direct fit for this swap?
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 06:02 PM
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its a 36inch throttle cable same as the lokar one. it was only 25 bucks from summit i didnt want to pay 49 then another 50 for the bracket lol
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 07:35 PM
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Re: lq9 swap

Originally Posted by RockJay81
its a 36inch throttle cable same as the lokar one. it was only 25 bucks from summit i didnt want to pay 49 then another 50 for the bracket lol
does it work?
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:50 PM
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its the same thing just different brand 36 inches all around use it
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LS1-L...Q5fAccessories

would this make a swap easier?
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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Not really.

The temp sender is easy enough to handle with a separate sending unit in the other head, and running the green wire over to it (that's what I did).

The oil pressure can be taken directly to the dash gauge.

The tach can be reset in the PCM.

The speedometer converter won't do you any good with a cable driven speedometer.
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 06:45 PM
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thanks bro. i'll get the aftermarket gauges from autometer. but im going to use the fast fuel system set up im not going to use the ls1 fuel tank. http://www.compperformancegroupstore...FuelSystemKits

should make the fuel part of the swap a lil easier
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 06:52 PM
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Well, I don't know about that, either. The AFPR might be a comfort-enhancing item, but a $125 Walbro in-tank pump (I swapped my carb tank pick-up for a in-tank pump pick-up), $30 Vette fuel filter, $20 coil of fuel line, and maybe $30 worth of fittings will do the same thing.
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i guess i'll look into that. i have the 4th gen tank and fuel pump i just dont want to jimmy rig a new sender and fuel lines with fittings.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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almost done!!!!
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Updated engine pic. Took care of that rats nest and blocked off the fire wall holes the easy way. Lol. Just gotta paint the plate and finish up the 4th gen dash swap.
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