Retube it? Why bother, just narrow it and put the 3rd gen mounts on it

 

Well, I ordered the lsx mounts from Spohn, gotta wait tili got the money then ill get the suspension parts,shocks, struts, caster/camber plates, springs, sway bars, wonderbar, steering components, lca's(for the rear), panhard bar, and the relocated torque arm ( Good idea? or stick with that tail shaft mount?)

Pocket:
Because it is outta a old ford f-150, and i believe it is the front diff, but it is about the same width as the thirdgen, but the pumkin (center section) sit off to the right like 10 inchs so ill have to have it retubed which in my opinion isnt bad, idc ill send a FREE housing i got from a frnd in and have currie do some work to it, brackets, tubing, BLAH, then get it springs lcas, panhard and i am set so i dont think it is to bad considering gettin a new one is really expensive and the 10 bolt is $hlt so dont wanna take my chances. I like to hotrod when i can so i want everything to be solid. the motor, trans, rearend, brakes, suspension, everything so i am gonna try my best and make sure i take all neccesary precautions. i dont wanna get the car running be like woot! then go hammer it and the rear end fall out from under the car! I dont trust my welding skills as a 19 yearold to take the abuse of engine that is going to put out 450 horses so i dont wanna risk it. I just want to get it dont and get it done right not throw away money that i would put toward this later anyways so i figure heck why not. Thanks for the imput though pocket that is just how i feel bout it. BTW your car turned out real nice, you got any other updates? on that bad boy

 

Use a rubber trans mount regardless of application. TA on the crossmember or on the tailshaft is up to you. If youve got enough power to fold up the stock TA, then its time to hardmount the front of it to the crossmember or the chassis. Until then, rock the stuff

Updates on my 92? Well, if you gap your plugs at .040" (stock specs) then youll have an annoying stumble at idle. Regapping them to .050" like the LS1 guys do will result in lots and lots of misfires at low RPMs and even worse at higher RPMs. So Im back to .040" and dealing with my slight stumble. Whatever you gap your plugs at, get your tune there or prepare to do it twice. Heater core likes dripping on my carpet, so its scheduled for next weekend. Definitely not looking forward to pulling the dash. Gas mileage is starting to go back up as the newness factor wears off and Im not hotrodding it everywhere as much. I scored a power bulge hood so Ill be rocking that at AF in a few weeks. I got the cruise working finally. Nothing was wrong with my wiring, just the brake switch wasnt pushed in enough to engage the plunger. Not much else to report

 

well well sounds like a couple isues but nothing get down about, i wish that is all i had to do, to have a ls1 in my car lol but yea i no time and pateince i am taking my time with this thing. I love working on it, it just gets annoying when i got nothing to report of talk to you guys bout for a month or so lol so yea ill be picking up another job here soon to pick up the slack and get this bad boy done faster! but yea the thing i am most concerned bout in my swap is the harness. i thing i might buy one from hawks, but i dont no do they make it work with the stock gauges and what not? idk maybe i should ask but yea im not even to that point and it is annoying cause i no i need to get the suspension and brakes done then worry bout that main obbjective but yea work in progress still tryin to pick a color found a pretty cool looking red, but i am thinking more along the lines of charcoal grey, white, black so idk still in the air. but yea,.......

 

I do plug and play harnesses. PM me

 

k, well that is sick would you need a harness? or do you make them outright then i pay for it, let me no how you do it and i will get one from ya when i am ready for it, but here are some pics of the rearend and stuff


By the way, it is for sale do not need it and would like for it to be gone comes as is only thing is without sway bar. has one rim on it, lug nut rounded off and cant get it off. well i cant anyways, but offer me local pickup only. 2:73's? and it is an open rear from the original owner told me.
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Id need a harness from your year car. Engine type is irrelevant. TPI, TBI, V6 any will work, just match the trans type to what you had

Id also need a LSx harness, car, truck whatever

Damaged harnesses are also fine, every single wire will be retraced. Just dont buy a harness that was removed with pruning shears

 

k, well,.... let me explain something to ya, i pulld the engine harness out, i tryed my best to sperate it but did some stupid stuff,.. i think? if i put some pics up of it would you be able to tell me if you can use it? when i am ready ill let ya no so we can work it out, how much you charge?

 

k, so like i have said i ordered lsx motormounts, now where do they mount? v6 position? v8 position? thanks

 

V6 position at the rear of the K-member

The bolts are a bit tricky to access from below

 

that is where i thought they mounted but i was not 100% sure so sweet well ill let you no when i am ready for the harness, i am tryin to take my time on this build and like i said i am building the suspension, rear, brakes, and all that stuff. Ill be looking to put the stock rims from the formulas 93-02 the 5 spoke abs rims or whateverthey are i think they look sick here is a pic on a thirdgen with them and this is what kinda look i am going for but not exactly but yea


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k so i got no updates on the 90 formula, but i needed to get my daily driver in good running condition and looking pretty so i cleaned her up and replaced the dizzy cap, rotor, ignition module, ignition control, and wires. Today was so nice out, i took my time and pulled valve covers, chevked everything and routed the new moroso wires ( got them off ebay for 30$, the best 30$ i have ever spent on wires, the seller name is kjperformance just incase any of your guys gonna get new ones) under the headers, and that was a frst for me never did it cause i didnt wanna take the time. but the after results were awesome so much cleaner looking so here is a pick of her junk so, yea but ill let ya gus no when i get the fuel tank out and when i start yanking the dash or whats left of it lol!

ENJOY! let me no what ya think, B/A? lol
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o and just so you watchers know some of my pics are kinda crappy cause i dont have money flowing out my a$$ hole so i gotta use my shitty phone. so please bare with me

 

K so on ebay i found tokico illumina struts and shock 5 way adjustable,.... here is a link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

What do you guys think i have springtech springs on my 89 and i like the way they make the car set,.. so i will be goin with them, on ebay 160$ then these shocks and struts for 500$? what you guys think?

 

I dont know something bout getting the motor in makes it feel almost like it coming together lol but here are some pics, now the second one i wanna no if they are in correct, i think they are?

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are they in right?
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Looks fine to me. They only fit one way

Be glad your A-arms were off. Those stands are a bear to bolt in with them installed

 

yea well they were off anyways cause i had to put one on the 89 and i am putting tubulars on and all new suspension so, yea excited!! but um yea i got a pic i will posty in a lil bit i will have a question bout. but until then ttyl

 

so i just bought 16x8 rims from a 02 trans am vert, off ebay for $100!!!!

 

well since i am starting this build literally on scratch. like no tools, nothing, so,.... here i thought i would have all this stuff done. I am 19 working, and trying to build my dream. so,.... i have been spending money on tools needed to get this car going. So sorry for no updates, i have been cleaning up the headlight wireing and re-wirelooming it. um looking for a welder, to patch floors. i drove to indiana to pick up some 16x6 00 firebird rims so i paid 100 so i figured it was worth it. but yea i will let ya no when i get the rearend sent off and get the springs, and suspension components so untill then . been putting money into the 89 formula as well. so

 

'00 Firebird 16x6 rims? WTF? the stock minimum was 16x7.5"

 

no no sorry 16x8 i was in a hurry to type that lol but yea what ya think good deal? i have been looking arond and they all are like 300-600 so i figured 100 for all four in good shape is a good deal.

 

k so this picture is behing the hood latch. now it looks and weighs like 5lbs, so here we go maybe one of you gents can tell me what this is.

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Airbag inertia sensor

Another one behind the radio and under the shifter plate. Main control module is near the ECM

For future reference, whenever you see yellow loom/tape/connectors its airbag stuff regardless of what car its on

 

ah ok so i can get rid of it thanks pocket

 

Bulky any intrusive they are, but a great face saver. My best friend ate his steering wheel a few years ago and will never be the same. An airbag, even if it doesnt deploy would have kept his lower jaw from being demolished

Just my

Oh, most insurance companies give airbag cars a 9% discount on rates and removing the system can void coverage. Check it out before you toss it

 

K,.... Well this build will prolly be off the charts for a lil bit. Some bad news has come up, and I am moving back to my home town. My older bro commited suicide, so ls1/t56 swap has been put on a hanger so to speak.Mom and dad wanted me back home to help out and so my sis and younger bro dont do anything stupid. So i am back in geneseo, Il, dealing with alot of emotions, and my 89 formula is with me. So i am company,.... some what but i had some thought on the ls1. I am thinking carbed ls1,..... now if i go this route here are a couple questions, if i go with carb, could i buy a ls1 engine harness, and have (pocket) get rid of all the fuel injections stuff, and would it run? Now,.... if i were to go with the edelbrock intake and controller kit would i have to have the ls1 engine harness ( or the computer )? and ideas or thoughts would be nice,.... Now that i am outta work, and living at home somethings to think bout would be nice. What do you guys think bout the distributer? set up for the ls1 carb? if i went that route could i keep the stock harness from the 89 formula to send signal to start it and all that jazz? idk just thinking,....

The 90 is gonna stay in springfield for a lil bit till i get somewhere. But so far this is my current plan, Ls1 block cleaned, new crank, ( maybe 383 kit ) forged rods, forged pistons, the heads will be ls6 heads, milled, and ported with new valves, and beefer springs, the cam.... i am unsure at this point i want something aggresive, real nice loupy idle but something that will smooth out at wot, the carb 750cfm?, t56 trans, prolly aluminum flywheel, and others stuff. I am looking for a subframe kit, to stiffin the unibody up i heard bout a bolt in kit if anyone knows where i could look i would appreciate it. the rear end is still waiting for me to make up my mind. I am gonna go with 3:55 gears not to high not to low, but i am unsure bout the spool? where the ring gear bolts to? what do you guys think let me no,... color i have found,... it is bright aqua metallic, so i am excited bout the car. I love being home, but i wish it was on better circumstances but yea.

 

Family first. Car projects come second to life in general

I wouldnt carb the LSx, but if you must there are two routes. The controller box using the LSx individual coils and the GMPP front cover and a ford dist. Neither require a LSx PCM or even the main harness. Just cut down the 3rd gen engine harness as seen in the prep thread and attach the controller box, or hook the distributor up directly

Refer to LS1tech about specifics about carb choice. Quite a registry there. The majority of the LSx swaps on this forum are EFI

Be sure the flywheel you use is either stock or SFI approved. Watch the black TA clutch explosion video if you are wondering why. I personally dont think the possibility of losing my feet is worth the rotating mass reduction with an aluminum flywheel

SFCs will help the car even if you had a V6 in there. Regardless of the type of SFCs you get, Id suggest welding them in. Bolt in kits are great, but over time the bolt holes elongate so their effectiveness dwindles. The good news is bolt in kits usually have more mounting points than normal weld in kits, so welding them in stiffens the chassis even further

T56's like lower gears. Go 3.73 or 4.10 with a 10 bolt or similar ratios for 9 bolt and aftermarkets

 

k i like the suggestions, i had heard some stuff bout aluminum flywheels, and was iffy bout it myself so i thought i would mention it. but i like the idea of a crabed ls1 and if i go with a carbed setup that means later down the road i can save up money and get afr heads, intake, cam pretty much all the stuff i need to get a fuel injected ls1 get what i am saying? not only can i get the lsx in there faster but i can get my head around both parts to see which i will like better, not gonna lie i will prolly enjoy the sound of a carbed lsx but the fuelies are so much more dependent, imo but thank you pocket, and yes family come first. So ill will let you guys no when everything starts to fan out. I am currently looking for a house in geneseo, wife stayed in springfield, and i am up here looking for work and ext. So we can sell the house, and since my wife is disabled we will be able to get a grant for use to either buy ahouse, or build. So the money we get from selling the house we get, will go straight into the car woot, but yea

 

Carbing a LSx is generally more expensive than retaining EFI because everything must be purchased aftermarket. Intake, controller box, front cover etc

EFI parts are common and dirt cheap (comparatively). Since you're starting with a long block, the cost to put either on top will be similar in the end

 

lsx fast intake, is 900 plus 500 for the throttle body, so that is 1400. Edelbrock intake 300, carb 500, front dizzy kit for like 450.so that is a savings of 200 already. The injectors, ecm wireing harness, tune dyno run. so i think i might be a lil cheaper then fuely. maybe at least 1 grand. But yea i guess we will see

 

LS6 is usually $350 with all related parts

 

K....... so now that I have gotten everything figured out. Time to get back to the ls1/t56 swap into the 90 firebird. I went into a partner ship with a frnd and i got a shop. When i can ill put up pictures of all off it. but ill be gettin back to the swap very very soon

 

so here is the update gents. I am now not parting out the 89. I found a 91 formula that needs a new shell,... and it is a good price. So,... i have a pic of it, and will put it up. Now for the ls1 parts list,... I have got it all figured out.
Trying to get this done and make the most power i can with stock internals so here we go.

Crank: stock
Pistons:Mahle two valve release flat tops
Rods:stock
Heads:241 castings, ported and milled
Cam:either going to be comp cams, or gmp hot cam kit.
Intake:ls6/fast
Throttle body:stock ported throttle body
Injectors:36lb
oil pump:ls6 oil pump
coils:stock
Headers: Hawks thirdgen swap headers with a custom y pipe
valve covers: aluminum fab
rocker arms: harland or summit 1:7
trans: th350/ t56
rearend: stock 10 bolt till i can get the for 9 built.

but yea thats bout all you need to get an idea of what i am building. Ill get pics of the shop that i own now. and here is a pic of the 91 formula. so enjoy. and sorry for the break gents

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9 bolt, or 9 inch?

 

well the rear end that is the car is the 10 bolt. and i have a ford 9 inch housing, sorry. but um yea,.... i gotta get it tubed for the width, and then brackets welded on and put the carrier back in it and get it all cleaned up and new ring and pinion.

 

Im going carb. ls1/built 700r4 and then the ford 9inch. cause i dont feel like spending 1500 on a t56 so it can wait. i can atleast get the motor in and running.

 

So,... here i am thinking,... i have a shop now. lift,.... room,.... and income. LETS GET THIS ***** ON!!! so i am gonna do a stock build. figured the numbers from a stock ls1 are good enough for a lil bit. then ill upgrade once i get every kink sorted out. so,.... in a couple weeks ill have room in the shop for both the donor car and the lsx swaping car. make over! so far build sheet includes stock internals ported 806 heads, summit rocker arms, ls1 intake, gmp hot cam kit ls6 springs and hawks LT's ith a ford 9 out back. all new paint, cleaned and renewed interior. stiffing, roll cage, subframe connectors. so when i get the cars in the shope i WILL post pics. ( I had to port my heads myself, no machine shop locally has a setup/program for the ls1's yet,.... LAME!)

 

K so here are some pics of the heads i ported. tell me what ya think. i think i did decent. but yea here they are.

 

so i got a set of fourth gen rims. wondering what size spacers for front and rear?

 

If any one is looking for a 350 tuned port. I am selling the one in the pic up there so hit me up if interested

 

ok,.. so here is the recent. I found a ls1 intake with rails and map sensor and bolts for 100, then a trailblazer ss cam with springs, and push rods for 75. the i am gettin a crank from a gent on here for 100. so the motor is almost complete. now all i need is the accesories, valve covers, rocker, coils, and header. then i should be set at least to get it test fitted in the car. but until i get the stuff ill be waiting

 

So i dropped the ls1 and heads for it to be cleaned and new cam bearings installed. Next is tomorow morn, i am driving to get a ls1 intake i found on craigslist for 100 with fuel rails injectors hardware map sensor, and of course intake. so I also found ls1 motor mounts on ebay for 60$ used with all harware and the stands from 98-02 trans am so that takes that small thing outta the way. I am gettin excited bout this ss trailblazer cam so woot! Later down the road when not under budget i will replace heads cam and intake. so....... i am tryin to get most outta what i got so woot. Picking up block sometime next week. so

 

k since i told you i was pickin up an intake ill post pics of it. IM GETTIN EXCITED WOOT!! but yea i would still like opinions on the heads i ported. here you are





pics arent good cause the women has the camera so lol but yea any input on this project would be appreciated. hey pocket,... got a question for ya,.... I need a body harness and engine harness from a 90 firebird with power locks power windows and all that jazz. prefer v6 so itll be easy for ya to do the wiring just let me no thanks man

 

K so i have been thinking. I am doing budget. and i have a 700r4 laying around, now is it worth it to build it and put like a 2k stall in it or just go with the 4l60e until i can swap the t56??

O, yea i never posted pics of the shop so here is one of my area i got. Its alot bigger in person then it looks in the pic sorry phone camera woot

 

here is a pic of the intake again but instead it is all cleaned up and painted to make it look BA! so..... woot

 

waiting around for the cam, crank, motor mounts to show up. I go pick my block up on wendsday from the machine shop so as soon as i get me crank i can put it together

 

so here is the latest, I got the 90 formula over to the shop. I get my cam and block and heads back from the shop so here are pics of the car/shop

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k gents got some pics of the motor mounts, cam, valve springs and pushrods i got today in the mail. Now, i got a question on the cam,.. the cam is not a three bolt pattern.... its got a the one dowel pin then a big ford style center hole? now all i need to do is get a diff timing chain set right?

well let me no asap! thanks guys enjoy

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I scored this set of motor mounts on ebay for 60! other places were selling them 80 each so i think i did decent for used pair anyways
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More pics later on the car. got dash removed

 

TB SS will be GEN IV. You need the newer timing set with the timing cover mounted cam sensor and lengthen the cam connector pigtail from the rear china wall to the front cover

 

is it worth it,..... ok so i need a new timing cover? like what year should i look for. y do i gotta do that..... is the cam sensor diff or something why do i gotta do that? sorry not tryin to be a pain just wondering

 

k i am gonna go with the stock cam i got then. not gonna mess with that crap