(Remember guys, deleting emissions equipment is illegal, can net you a fine of up to $10,000 and all that other stuff. Plus they might take your car away. With that said, I (and TGO) do not condone anyone to do this, as this is just 1 man(kid)'s experience.)


Well, as luck would have it, my girlfriend breaks up with me a month before Christmas, and I was actually planning on spending most of my checks on her too.. So as the sun shined on my car I decided to spend this whole winter dedicated to my real baby girl.

Anyways, so pre-all this I had noticed my car was smoking at lights which meant some bad seals, along with my muffler nearly falling apart. Along with being bit with the go fast bug, I was certain I would need to do some major work to my car.

So after extensive research on fabbing up exhaust, and shedding pounds, deleting emissions equipment, and rerouting belt diagrams I finally came up with my master plan. I was going to get her in the garage before winter really set in and was very fortunate I did as 2 days later, we had an ice storm with 1-2 inchs of ice on all the roads, I saw another 3rd Gen wreck into a pole, then have his dad who was coming to get him, do the exact same slide he did RIGHT INTO his car!!!!!!!!!

So glad I walked to work that day... (It was fun ice skating to work haha)

So now, here she is in all of her glory before getting beat on:



And a lolstock engine compartment shot:


Started with the exhaust from my test pipe back, note: It is really f'ing hard to try and get the over the axle, over the axle with the catback still all one piece. And then lets not start on when I cut the P.O.S down to size and it still gave me hell... pic of said pipe to cause hell:


Heres what my drivers side looks like at the moment with it just going over the axle into a test pipe, the final product will be: Hooker 2460 > Dual 3-2.5inch Reducers > Dual custom piping into 2 31" classic chambered sticks > over the axle and dumping in the stock locations:


How I plan to run the pipes around the subframe..:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ferx/duals.jpg

Note: I can just heat wrap (x2) the fuel lines correct?


Next on the list was A/C and A.I.R delete, to clear up the engine bay and so I could get to the header bolts better.
Work in progress with most of the AIR gone, and the A/C pulley gone:


Yay box'o'parts!
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...x/IM000626.jpg
I'm gonna collect all of what I take off to weigh it and see how much I actually lost to see how much this wasn't worth it haha.

Heres the Idler pulley that is used to run this routing https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...iagrams-z2.jpg
and not have the belt's ribbed area on a flat pulley:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...x/IM000625.jpg

Dayco Part #89015.

And now finally a picture of the A/C box completely out, and holy cow, it was like I got another engine bay.


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Picture127.jpg

Remaining objectives:
#1 Take out accessory bracket, (Can someone please show me where the bolts are for this P.O.S? It will be 3-4 days until my service manual shows up and I am stumped on this.)
Remove Y-Pipe, Remove manifolds
Remove cruise control remains
Take valve covers off and replace valve seals.
Coolant flush (needs it BAAAAAAAAAAD)

I know I have more things I want to do, but at the moment I'm broke until the day before christmas. (I dont know if its cool or not, getting checks the day before christmas haha.)
After she is on the road again, I am going to start saving for my PROM tuning/burning equipment, and then hopefully next winter I can install some new heads and a new camshaft.

Also, would 245/60/15's cover up that wheel gap more? I really don't like all that fender gap up front, but I am not lowering the car when I am trying to put duals on it.


As I continue on this project I will post more pictures, as I finally found my other pair of rechargeables...

Thanks a lot for all the help from previous threads you guys have given me, big props to Greezemonkey and Deadbird for the inspiration to do duals. (Already said this before, but big props still .)

Will add more later, I still think I have an old thread with a few unanswered questions lying aboot.

Thanks again guys, and remember HORNS HIGH! \n/

 

got the same engine as me lol. why dont you spend your money and time on doing a engine swap? gotta love the more power
thats what im planning on doing. getting rid of alllll the stuff in my engine bay and repainting it and fixing any rust along the way im getting rid of all that electric stuff. i dont have having wires all over the engine bay.

take some more photos of progress i would like to see.

 

I don't really know why, for some reason the number "305" means something to me (pft) and I would like to keep it a 305, even if I have to swap.
I guess i really want it to live up to its project name (R.S.S.S(Rally Sport Super Sleeper)) and a 305 TBI badge will just feel more right for it.

I know that all my money could be spent on a 350, or a 383, or an LSX, or a frikken rocket car. (Isn't there a LS2 bare block on jegs for $999?) (http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...0002_950836_-1)


In 2 years, when the new camaro comes out, I will most likely try and find a real cheap 67-69 body to have fun with, and that, is what I will put the big motor in, carbed, getting 5MPG and 600HP. But, I don't want that at the moment.

All I want is to have fun in my 305.

 

i guess that is acceptable lol
im planning on making a 383 for my little car i would really love to have a 69 camaro. butttt there alittle pricy for me at the moment.

 

mm, a 383 was one of my plans before I got my master plan stuck into me, if I ever get another third gen, like an IROC or a Z28, that will most likely be what goes under the hood. And OH yeah, I have watched ebay for about 6 months now, and the half-decent project cars are still going for 7-12k.
But recently a few have dipped below 5k, so I can only hope these 2 years go by quickly..

Wish I had a t5... :P

 

t-5 transmission??
i think a half project would still be expensive trying to restore a 67- 69 camaro. tho it would be a really awesome experiance tho i have the time in the world to do stuff to my car i just with i had a shop and all the tools i ever need to work on a car but thats when im more older haha.
i think im planning on keeping my RS till i die lol. i love it to death. i rather spend $10,000 in that car then any other car. tho i have a fellow friend who has a 1984 Iroc. and he said he put more money then he should have into that car lol.

are you going to get full headers or shortys? and are you going to stick with the TBI? or go carbed?

 

Exactly man, RS for lyfe. It was my first car and I am never letting her go. Even if we get hover cars, I swear I'll just chop the body off and put my 3rd gens on there. hahaha
And yeah, I want your T-5 haha. (Driving an auto is boring~)
Going with Hooker 2460 shortys into dual 2.5, out 2 chambered classic 31" mufflers, over the axle and out the stock exit and yup, sticking with the good 'ol TBI.
I'll be tuning it in just a few months hopefully.

 

right on.
yeah id hate to see a stupid hover car. once they come out. ill be deeply sadded. i rather have a car that is stuck on the ground and not in air
are you going to lower the car at all??
add some subframe connectors?

 

Well, considering I will be running duals, I want all the ground clearance I can get, I might lower the front about an inch to get rid of that fender gap though, but I could also try a taller tire..
Yeah, as the next year goes on, I'll be working on suspension to handle the following winters mods. SFC, LCA's, etc etc

Coming at you:


Ill post interior pics tomorrow, hopefully I can start on the manifolds, but I have work tomorrow so depends on how tired I am. <_<

 

work. it uses alot of time to work on the car haha. tho you get money from work so it not to bad
i lowered my car 2 inches but i just cut my springs. it looks really awesome.
i dont have a photo of it at the moment. but i have a photo of my 305 engine. i removed the smog stuff on it. really made the engine bay ugly. and i put a shiny aircleaner on there to give the engine alittle shine.
here is the photo

are you making your car to take coners or to go straight?

 

i put a nice little chrome air beather on the passenger side valve cover. dont have a photo of that. it was a mr gasket air beather. it was like $5 at the auto store

 

Was hoping to see a pic of your car! Guess I should have asked earlier lol.
That looks really good now with all that smog gone, I see you used the delete pulley for the A/C, have you thought of doing what I did?
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/at...iagrams-z2.jpg
I plan on taking the accessory bracket out, and shaving off all the unneeded metal where the pulleys sit and keep the tensioner for that setup.
Can't wait to start getting rid of some of that wiring harness, it just clutters the hell out of things on the passenger side.


And yeah, if I want to lower my car I will most likely cut my springs so I'm not spending $400 a pop and then having to return it cause my exhaust sits too low :\

Is that an A/C delete box? I don't really feel like dropping $150 for the box and the blower, so I was thinking I might be able to use the stock blower and fab a piece of sheet metal to it to cover the rest of it.

Yeah that little breather has been on my to do list for forever, just been lazy haha.

 

Dude tear that engine out and get a carb 350 tbi suuuuuuuuucks. since your doing all this work anyways you might aswell you could pick up a 350 in awsome shape for like $500 and slap it in in like a week or two. dont waste your money on something youll regret in a year ive done it way too many times. oh and also my gf broke up with me a month ago too haha join the f**kin club eh

 

when i bought the car. it never came with A/C. no i have no idea. the last owner might have deleted the A/C if it ever came with one. but i was going to use my belt tensioner system on my 383 build and just have my alt. crank pulling on there. im thinking of deleting my powersteering and go with manual. im making my car mostly for the drag strip with minimal road use.
and im thinking of getting an electrtic water pump or an electric belt drivin water pump one less pully on the engine

 

Not to be rude but I have covered why I am not going to a 350, so I will not repeat myself.

Also, sorry I didn't answer one question: It is for both turns and straights, I want it for my daily driver, but I also want to take it to the track once in a blue moon.

Ahh, that was also one of my considerations, but I decided not to switch around my alternator and fiddle with making a new bracket for it.
Def. on the power steering if your making a drag car, and I have heard mixed reviews about electric vs mechanical water pumps, I will probably go with a good 'ol alum. mechanical one.

The only thing I have regretted was having a posi installed instead of getting a completely new rear end. I don't see why having a mild street 305
is such a bad thing, it's not like I want to go 10's or anything. (zomg priceeee. I am a bargain hunter, the people that continue to say this: arent.)

 

haha me to. i acturally priced out my engine to be about $6000 to complete but since i shopped around. got reviews of different products i got the price down to about $3800. so im thrilled about that that means i have extra money to play with for the rear end. and a tranny. i was thinking of getting one of the 9 bolt posi set ups from hawks 3rd gen websites. one of there used rearends. they selling em for $500 for a a posi 9 bolt with disk breaks. i rather have disk breaks. there alot easyer to change out then drum breaks. i always seem to have problems with them not wanting to work properly.

anyways. im thinking of getting a TH-350 transmission. haha you can buy my T-5 if you like. thoit shiould ge rebuild. it has 275,000 km. on it. im not to sure when ill be getting it. im hoping buy mid augest ill have it.

 

i can probably get my engine cheaper if i used some of the parts from the 305 engine. like the alt. starter, wires, since there brand new, and the plugs since there brand new as well. paid $80 for a set of plugs. one thing about having a v8 is gotta buy 8 plugs.
that should bring my cost down about $200 - $400

 

Hell yeah man, it pays to be patient.
And oh yeah, I am biting my fingernails when I think about changing my rear drums, I might just try to save up and upgrade to disks, and just beef the 10 bolt up some.. since I wont be drag racing too much I might be able to scrape by with it, but if I get the chance then yeah, I would watch ebay for 3-4 weeks, and see if you can get one on there for cheaper, even on here, but yeah, hawks is where I would go.

Lol, with how notorious I hear T-5's to be, I should probably go with one of the beefier ones if I ever do that, but I might just step that up to a T-56.
For now a future shift kit will have to settle my itch in the car haha.

Ut oh, its getting pretty late, time for sl33p. Work blows. :\

 

I did read it i was just suggesting. I grew up with third gens thats all my uncles have ever driven since they were like 16 haha (ya they had ******s) the chevy 305 is nothing but a dream smasher everything you put into it doesnt do anything or atleast it doesnt feel like it unles you turb-charge or do a very expensive build. And also your talking about making your car like light weight and stuff and putting on bigger tires but in the end it wont do anything really.. i know theres tons of TBI tech-heads out there that have 250hp 305's but they spent sooo much time and money to get there engine a little more power. I absolutly hated having a 305 not to mention i couldnt even think about racing mustangs or anyhting and i got beat by alot of shitty cars like saturns haha.. also my uncle always told me those engines were **** but i still got it and definatley regreted it.

 

haha darn work get in the way sometimes.
yeah i would go with the T-56.. gotta have the 6 speed sometimes haha iv always wanted one. or you could beef up your auto trans and add a shift kit to it as well. dont have to buy a new tranny and fittle around with parts and trying to get it to fit. i found a bolt in 12 bolt posi but they want $2000 for it!! theres no way im paying that right now.
i think beefing up the 10 bolt would work find since its a high hp engine. it shouldnt hold up. i dont tyhink you be pushing 250hp out of the engine anytime soon tho lol.
if you are going to lower your front end.
i get some iroc replacement springs. the springs you got now are probably sagging abit. i foudn that out after i cut mine. i bet its sitting 2.5 inches lower. maybe alittle more. but i gotta take it in for a wheel alignment. it makes a terrible grinding sound when i do a full turn when backing up. i did a complete steering project. replced the whole steering besides the powersteering box. since i going with manual i didnt want to spend money trying to fix whats wrong with it. (i think dirt somehow got inside wher eyou put the fluid in)

anyways im out to.
should PM me and let me know how your engine working is going.

 

im pretty sure the 305 wernt really ment to be a performence engine. i think it was just for dairly driving and having that nice V8 sound. tho i would install a 350. parts are dirt cheap and make aton of hp out of it more then a 350 and also have alot more fun. spent a $1000 on a 350 engine and your engine should have plenty of power. tho a 305 outbeating a 350 is pretty rad in its self lol its like having a 4cly beating V8s :P tho 4cly these days probably beat a 305 lol

 

haha ya there is some pretty fast 4's out there but i feel like a p*ssy driving one haha it feels weird having all the power in the top end. Once you feel the power of a high torque vehicle you never want anything else (atleast me anyways) I think a 305 twin turbo would be killer....

 

im sure a turbo setup would get you some good numbers.
could always stroke the 305. nos, turbos, good intake,. but then your already looking at aton of money! i would just keep the 305 if you are planning on keeping it. work on the suspension and body. to make it how you want it to look like make it coner the way you want it to. and get the rims/tires. suspenion. stiffin frame up. new rearend. tranny. then add stuff to the 305 if you really want to keep the 305.
thats what i would do anyways.

 

Exactly what I plan to do, Fast355 has posted numerous low/mid-/high-budget 300+HP builds for 305's, and after I really learn how my engine works over the course of learning to tune it, I will be able to select the appropriate go fast parts for later on. I know 13's can be reached with stock 416's so I will just try for a pair of those and match it with a good camshaft, along with enough weight reduction and some good suspension work. Also, I really plan on sticking with N/A. I am kinda against superchargers and nitrous.. lol
Let's not forget Mw66 and Robertfrank for their hard work on the 305 as well.
/praise your guys /endpraise

Really should get a fuel pump and change that out.. but I don't feel too comfortable working around gas, can anyone thats had this swap at a shop give me a rough estimate for this?

Also want to finish painting her... I liked the red and black for awhile, but I want it to finally be what I wanted when I started. Working on some interior shots as well, but I need to run to the store and pick up the December issue of Camaro Performers (Finally found it, Wal-Mart only has January ><), plus I just got off work.

Work to do tonight: finish unhooking spark plugs, unbolt ypipe and manifolds.

Maybe I can take the valve covers off finally..


Woohoo.

 

take some pics. i would love to see how its coming along

working around gas isnt that bad. i changed out my fuel filter and pump on my other 4cly car and gas was spuing out. (forgot to plug up the fuel line.)
just dont have anything that would make it catch on fire. if you want to be extra safty could always work beside a fire instigheser. oh man totally spelt that wrong in everyway. oh well you know what it means haha
anyways you could always drain out the gas. change out pump and then refuel it again.

 

Thanks for the boost, I think I might try that when I add the cam and heads.
Didn't get as far as I wanted to as I started a bit late, got the Y-Pipe and the cruise control out, working on the manifold bolts at the moment, any pointers when taking these things off? lol

Pics when batteries recharge.

 

no idea. im in the process of learning as well haha.
have you tryed starting up the engine with the y-pipe off?
i would start it up just to hear what it would sound like. but turn it off after 10 or so seconds haha. it be loud

 

Sorry for no replies and pics, I am a rather sad panda after finding oil on my spark plugs... hopefully it was when the PCV was really clogged before I changed it.. I really don't want to have to do a motor swap already...

At least I should be able to find a 305 for dirt cheap..

 

probably need some new rings on the pistions.
or just a simple engine rebuild. then you could add a good cam to it.
does your engine blow out smoke??
my 305 smokes. and sometime it will all of a suddle look like a diesle engine. its gets ugly lol but i dont care to much. its coming out in augest anyways. i think the last owner drove the crap out of it thats why it doing it.

 

Yeah, looks like I am gonna have to dive in deeper and just rebuild her..
Sucks, but if I add a cam I would do it the right way and get a real nice one,
then my chip would throw fits and my stock fuel pump might commit suicide..

I have 1/4th of a tank of gas... I could change the pump myself, get a crappy over the counter chip, or just get the burner hardware and find a bin of something near my cam/head selection and then just do everything I was planning on next winter this winter...

Yes, she had alot of blow-by out the breather.

 

if you were going to keep the 305. i would scrach the TBI and put a carb on there and a nice intake. and throw out the ECM stuff. thats me tho. im the old school way lol. anyways i guess you could get bigger injectors for the TBI. new intake. better fuel pump. and the right size of cam and heads.
and throw some headers on there with nice exhaust.
im sure you will notice a difference in power. but not as much if you put a 350 in here. it would cheaper in the long run to get a used running 350 for fairly cheap. rebuild it. and throwit in your camaro. it will probably have more hp stock then the 305 with some mods to it. and cheaper to.

spend 2000 bucks in a 305 engine. or 2000 in a 350 and make twice as much power. and it just simply bolts right in to.

so far it seems like the 305 project is gunna be alittle costly since its not running 100% tho you could always buy a car with a 350 engine. and do a swap. and put the 305 in the other car. it be cheaper on gas then a 350 i would imagin....

 

Actually, with just some port work, and a very nice matched cam (plus the other goodies and a tune.) I can reach 280 RWHP. This is for the most part my goal, probably some weight reduction, timing, and a good 60ft, I will hopefully break 13's.

This car is my daily driver for the most part, the only reason I am driving another car is because I can't drive her. So there is no point in swapping a gas guzzling carbed motor in for me.

Edit: Oh crap its payday! Woot, ordering my headers today!

 

you wont be able to break 13's. My car can only do 13.5's and i have like 310hp, remember you have tbi, the throttle body is probably only capable of like 230hp so you would need to upgrade that ($600) also you would need a custom burned chip and the programs and the knowledge to burn the chip is expensive or very hard to do. and on top of all that you would need a new set of wild heads, new pistons for higher compression, a very good cam, tons of fresh air, witch is hard in our cars to accomplish especially with a high horsepower 305. you would just about need every performance part you can think of with your tbi vehicle to get over 300whp. You always hear from people iether tbi really sucks or its the best engine ever But listen to the 95% that say it sucks becuase it does (when your wanting high hp numbers very its very efficiant tho) Id say after you did that sh*t load of modifications youd probably run like low 14's high 13's becuase the torque is just not there youll suffer at the start. Like i siad your going to regret it 305's just arent worth it unless you got tons of money and want a power adder. once you put all those parts on and go to take her for a test drive all that work that you did will amount to nothing.

 

Wow i really hope your kidding because if you think that tbi cannot support 230 hp you are sadly mistaken.There are plenty of people making good power with tbi,but i do agree that it ll take alot to get it into the 13's but he could do it with a 125 shot if he really wanted to.I say forge the bottom end spray the **** out of it and make people cry when you pop the hood=)

 

 

Wow creepingdeath, maybe you should look up Fast355.
Read every post hes every written.
Now reply again.

 

Merry Christmas to all

 

I actually didnt mean to say the tbi wouldnt handle 230 i meant to say 300 i know alot about tbi's i did my research i had one in my truck. And also i didnt mention spraying nitrious so i dont know why that was braught up, but i thought you wanted to go N/A?

 

N/A all the way.

 

I wish my wife would leave me so I could fix up my car!LOL Anyway good to spend monry on your car now. Soon child support and alimony will spend all your money for you. Good news is when you get 40 and everything is paid, you can really put money in car.

 

Hah, kids.
I am anti-women as I just got over one, I think I will just open a car business and stay single forever. >D

My late christmas presents!
http://www.eadperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=210
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http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...10002_16908_-1




Broke again with a long shopping list left.. gonna be a long 2-3 months

 

Better post some pics when you get those on glass-packs all the way

 

you gotta tell me how thos mufflers sound and work!!
im looking to get thos tubeular type mufflers for my car.
and there fairly cheap to
they almost as cheap as them cherry bomb mufflers lol

take photo man! gotta seem em on the car

 

I am hoping they will be just a little bit more mellow or the same as this
http://www.classicchambered.com/sounds/55chevy.mov, I will be one very happy customer if they are, I have been searching for something like this for awhile.

Headers will be here today, yay. Gotta call the place where I ordered my mufflers, still says pending on shipping when CC has gone through and I so hope I didn't get screwed. <_<

Hopefully tonight I can go back out and start working again, gonna try and get the manifolds off finally, they are pretty stuck on there lol.

So, I think I may have screwed myself, With how I am routing my exhaust It seems I will go right into SFC's when I get them, so I need to find out how much I need to drop the exhaust piping down to clear it..
Anyone? >_>
Probably go with UMI since they were the ones that give the most clearance?

 

So hows this for kicks, camera dies when parts arrive. Off to buy a new one..
edit and pics when I get back

 

Keep working the goal, you will get there....as far as the price dropping, I wouldn't hold your breath. I for one would rather spend the money and have a 1st gen then spend as much or more to have a 5th gen

 

Is your hood on your 1st gen stock? it looks killer

 

Ya....It's a goodmark stock repro hood, all of the sheet metal on the front including the doors is new.

 

i love your garage

 

Thanks for inspiration, flrtin1. Very clean 3rd gen you got there and a very sexy 1st gen project.

Finally got my camera and got to work, can only take 4 pics at a time with this one till I upgrade sticks but that just means lots of updates.

What I opened my door too..





Pass. Side Manifold off:



Yay paper weight: